Museums: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

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John Oliver discusses some of the world’s most prestigious museums, why they contain so many stolen goods, the market that continues to illegally trade antiquities, and a pretty solid blueprint for revenge.

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  • I once saw that someone said that the only reason Egypt still has the pyramids is that they were too big to be moved to Britain

  • "If you say yes to one, you would suddenly find the British Museum is empty." That's kinda the point.

    • @Al-Hamid I mean not really, museums in Britain don't charge entrance fees at all and get all of their funding for their government. It wouldn't impact the British Museum financially whatsoever if they repatriated these museums. This is also generally true, museums are generally public institutions funded by the public, they don't actually need to worry about attracting visitors because their budget is always underwritten by the state. While it's tempting to look for a direct financial incentive in this case it's more about just straight up racism and maintaining a feeling of superiority. If you paid attention to how the MP talked about the British Museum being a central repository for the whole world, a sentiment that only makes sense if you think London is the capital of the world, which is exactly what's going on and why those artifacts ended up there in the first place. The British Museum and others like it were not made as altruistic institutions to teach but rather as a demonstration of imperial power, to show just how far reaching their empire was and how they could collect artifacts from all over the world. They were meant as a physical manifestation of imperialist ideology that saw the imperial capital as the center of the world since obviously their empire were the rightful rulers of the world. It's the same sentiment that is expressed in the saying "all roads lead to Rome". When you then have modern people and politicians wanting to hang onto these artifacts it's in a desperate attempt to keep the "glory days" where they ruled the world alive, in a world where these former empires are becoming unimportant second rate powers. They won't return it because it's the last sliver of their national glory which lets them feel superior to the rest of the world. Essentially nationalists in former European Empires are coping poorly with the fact that they're no longer the masters of the world, it's becoming increasingly obvious that the period in which Europe ruled the world is just a blip on the historical record that'll be remembered more like a historical oddity in the future rather than the inevitable destiny all of history was always leading up to. Falling from the soaring heights of dominating the entire world to being just influential countries in their own continent in a few short decades is hard to cope with and it leads to them grasping to the last straws of their imperial dominance and looking for any excuse to see themselves as superior to their former imperial subjects. The talk about only the west being capable of taking care of these artifacts is just the latest, but possibly last, area where this is being expressed. Once it becomes obvious that Europe was never inherently better than the rest of the world and only ended up dominating through brutality and violence it's also gonna become obvious just how grave the crimes of colonialism were and that's something even some left wing types in those countries aren't willing to face.

    • Seriously, theres not enough british things to fill the british museum?

    • If you find something and pay for it and someone else moved to the area and would destroy it or sell it. BS Ancient Egypt no longer exists to be stolen from.

    • @DomInator Without the consent of those it was taken from.

    • @bina nocht Yes. If that stuff has been in Dubai for hundreds of years I'd find it dumb for Americans to start demand it should be returned. War is part of history no matter if we like it or not, and it was a very common practice. I don't see the point in returning stuff that's been in a country's possession for hundreds of years. It would for example be weird if France demanded the return of items that at one time belonged to France discovered in Egypt left from the Crusade. At least I am being consistent with my stance.

  • "The difference between archaeology and looting is 50 years." - one of my anthropology professors explaining the fucked up providence arguments of museums.

    • @hedgehog3180 dino fossils are everywhere and Mongolia is such an irrelevant country

    • @ID-tv user And chef You'll be delighted to know that there's also a thriving black market fossil trade, Nicholas Cage got convicted of buying dinosaur fossils that had been stolen from Mongolia.

    • @ID-tv user And chef dinossaurs are paleontology, archaeology is for human stuff only

    • anthropology is just cannibals licking bones.

    • Lyndon B. Johnson died just under 50 years ago, and I've been waiting to sell his ribs for foreverrrrrrrrr

  • I’m half Egyptian and I’m born and raised in Egypt. When I was little, I was SO fascinated by ancient Egyptian culture. When I was about 6 years old, my mom’s friend took me to the Egyptian museum. To my horror, almost all the artefacts weren’t available to see. There were just glass cases with photos of what would have been there, but were at other museums in Western Europe, the UK, or NY. The new Egyptian museum is opening up soon and supposedly it’ll have the largest archeological collection in the world. Here’s hoping that it’s not just going to be a huge disappointment like I had as a kid.

    • @Wizard Tim as you counter with nothing besides a general " no, your wrong bc I say so!" I'm not really worried about what you think about my arguments bc you have none of your own lol and are unable to actually counter anything. After all, such terrible arguments should be easy to counter, yes? Lol fail.

    • @Danny Danhammer Just here to let you know, your arguments are terrible. And I'm being generous when I call them "arguments" as they are just various fallacies lobbed at people in the hopes of making something of a point.

    • @King Devil ha

    • Remember what Taliban did to Buddha carving, well that's you.

    • You didn't discover it. You or your family moved to the area, when?

  • "We keep these loots because we can take better care of them." The British Museum cut up a 1000-year old Chinese silk scroll, because it was too long for their European picture frames. You can see them in pieces, the ends were just thrown out.

  • Lets all appreciate that HBO puts all LWT episodes in almost their entirety for free on youtube without a shitton of ads.

    • Duh! If they didn't, who would actually watch it?

    • @Quinn Grey 😂😂😂yes the comments are great! And so positive! We need and University of Last Week Tonight!!

    • If only they would unlock it in other countries sooner than a month + later 😔

    • I don't think HBO is cash strapped for ad money on youtube but if there were, that money should go to the legal department of John's show; the most overworked legal department since the public defenders office of NYC in the 80s & 90s. 😂 😂

    • HBO made like 3.5-4 billion dollars on Game of Thrones alone. They can afford to put shit on YT without advertising....

  • "Can we have our stuff back?" "I don't know. I'm not sure you can even prove it is your stuff." "Yes, I can. You put it in a display case, with a little placard VERY EXPLICITLY STATING THAT IT IS MY STUFF" The British Museum in a nutshell

  • My daughter works at the National Museum of Scotland and worked hard to help a indigenous community from our home in Canada try to repatriate a memorial pole that was stolen from their community. She was disciplined for trying to help them. I’d love you to do a story about their struggle.

    • So she went to Scotland to try and help steal away their artifacts? Hopefully they fire her.

    • Not only Scotland, but Scottish People are different from English. More open. They felt in their skins the evil from Britain...

    • What is wrong with sccotland?

    • @kestaa I very much hope The National Museum of Scotland can be a leader in reparations. It is a huge passion for my daughter. She hopes to complete her Archaeology degree.

    • Thank you to your daughter for her efforts. This story got a fair bit of press here in Canada when the Nisga'a delegation visited the museum in August, but I assume the repatriation efforts have stalled since there have been no updates since then. Still, the fact that the museum was willing to meet and discuss the possible repatriation brings me some hope. The British Museum has another Nisga'a pole which they purchased from the same man (Marius Barbeau) who sold the pole in the National Museum of Scotland. They also have a Haida pole acquired from a different collector. Maybe Scotland can set an example that prompts the British Museum to return these two poles and other artifacts looted throughout history.

  • That open question about how long someone can be dead for it to be okay to have a piece of their body is superb.

    • Everyone will give different ages.

    • I love it, it wasn't even a joke, it was just there to make people feel uncomfortable.

    • True, true... Makes you question a lot

    • @Connor Inglis It depends mainly on the ethnicity of the individual. I mean during the colonial period the British were sometimes reluctant to even wait for the person to die of natural causes and sped up the timeline if the person was sufficiently foreign.

    • I'd say like 100-150 years give or take after that put my bones in a poorly cared for store room

  • The heart of the Solomon story is that the baby's true mother loved it so much that she showed that love by being willing to let that baby not be in her possession instead of having it hacked into pieces.

    • The baby in the Solomon story wasn't going to be hacked to pieces. It was going to be cut in half so each mother could have half a baby. But I guess that counts as pieces.....

    • @Mellie I love this show, but tbf I think this joke would have been better.

    • @kriley9386 oh get over yourself. He totally understands the real story. The entire show was mocking the scientist who said it. It's called satire!!

    • Yes, I think our beloved John Oliver missed this point.

    • THIS

  • Gotta love the logic of the British Museum Act of 1963 being like "we made a law that says we can't give you back stuff that we stole from you."

    • @Franklin Thinking that you're smarter than everyone because you're an asshole is just about the most childish thing you can do. The real world is more complicated than that and if someone is trying to tell you that it isn't they're scamming you.

    • @Matt G And who is buying those artifacts?

    • @1Born Confused The really funny part about it. Is that, it looks like you took a lot of time, making that reply. It took all of 4 seconds for me to realize I didn't want to read the rest.

    • @1Born Confused You are acting like I should care of his opinions. I don't. Neither do most other people. It doesn't rank high in things people think about. But good luck.

    • @Franklin except you've conveniently forgotten the point John made in this video, that the people who brag that they're better at preserving the artifacts actually aren't, when they can't even do something as clean them properly. Not to mention that your attitude of "Trust us, we know better," is incredibly arrogant and condecending towards the people who have the right over these artifacts, because it implies they know less or have less skills or have less interest in maintaining and preserving the artifacts. Which is an attitude that has been perpetuated time and again against "the other." And to your absolutely laughable point of "America will never be invaded,"...yeah, talk to the First Nations of this land. And then turn around and talk about how America's literal invasion of Iraq, which is the location of Babylon, had a huge hand in not only severely damaging the actual site of Babylon because its army was stationed nearby, but also had a hand in looting not only the place but a nearby museum in the area working to preserve the site and it's artifacts. And then the president had the audacity to say "We're bringing civilization to the Iraqi people." To the place that is the literal birthplace, the cradle of civilization. The sheer gall and arrogance. You want to be able to see these original artifacts of other civilizations? How about governments stop invading these lands, looting, plundering and pillaging them? Instead, help them out by not destabilizing them, and then promote and encourage travel there instead? That way, you get to see what you want to see, the people keep their heritage, and everyone's horizons expand. And the third world countries of which you speak - many, many of them were rich, thriving areas back in the day, before foreign invaders from Europe came, looted and pillaged them, stole their artifacts, stripped them of their ways of government and installed their own versions. Versions that completely disregarded the validity of the native way and were worse than what existed before. And again as John pointed out, you/the museums don't actually have ownership of these items, when many of them were proven to be stolen in the first place. Protect your borders? What do you think other countries are doing - just sitting around dwiddling their thumbs? They're all trying to do the same thing.

  • I quite like what the swedish etnographical museum did. They had a totempole that had been purchased from native americans in the early 1900's and brought to Sweden. When the tribe wanted it back, they returned it in exchange for a newly made pole by the tribe. So not only did the tribe get their totempole back, the tradition of making them were kept alive and the swedish museum still had an excibit. Can add that the Kitlope people then decided that the totempole should return to moder earth and buried it to molder.

    • In general museums would get way more out of just loaning things out to each other because when you do that instead of stealing you actually get all of the relevant context as well. If the Benin Bronzes were returned to Nigeria then Nigerian scholars would probably be able to study them much better than someone in the UK just due to having more local knowledge and speaking the local language and then perhaps loan them back with some actual explanation of what they mean.

    • @Royalname31 Swede here: We have a lot of fucked up ahit in our museums, several Sámi artifacts, pictures of naked sámis (they were forced) as part of "racial" studies and so much more. Whilst our country is alright, we aren't saints.

    • Damn, why do Sweeden people sound like the most reasonable of the world? Literally just a bit of communication, and there you go, nothing is lost

    • Hello how are you

  • Thank you John so much the Benin Bronzes are my heritage and it breaks my heart when seeing them various museums all scrambled after being ripped from their home. I sent this to my father who has been fighting to bring them back and this spotlight made him so happy that there’s more attention on this. As a first generation African American, I want to know my history my home and thank you for doing something that might get that history back ❤

    • White people sure are good at picking and choosing which parts of African history should be remembered or forgotten.

    • I am very glad, that there is a movement starting in the West to repatriate these artifacts. I wish I could say the same for the 60,000 artifacts Japan stole from Korea and dared call some Koreans thieves when they forcibly repatriated 2 buddhist statues in 2012 and 2014. (Hell, even the Kizaemon Ido, officially hailed as a national treasure was a 1500s stolen Korean artifact... of a peasant bowl because Japan couldn't even make a peasant bowl, so engrossed in samurais imposing 75% tax rates to raise militaries to kill each other) And even said this "theft" is why they can't return the remaining 60,000 to Korea. Well if they were going to return it, they would have done so centuries ago, and should not have even stolen it in the first place. This is like calling the police the "thieves" when said police was just apprehending the real thief and forcibly returning his loot to the rightful owners.

    • Such a travesty for the British not to return the records of your cultural history as it holds a deep meaning to your people; shameful arrogance to feel entitled to what is not theirs to keep.

    • Bless your father!

  • I used to work in museums and the entire "We can't give them back if they can't take care of them" narrative was literally taught in the museum studies program I graduated from. It's infuriating. Reproduction tech is SO advanced now - there are pieces in the collection of the org I worked for that swap out the originals for repros all the time and you cannot tell the difference. There is no excuse to not reproduce artifacts for a collection and return the originals to where they came from other than greed and a refusal to spend the money. It's cheaper to make a repro of a ceremonial robe than it is to construct a humidity-controlled, UV-protected, environmentally sealed case to display it in. Just saying.

    • @News Now BC Newsflash, the people destroying the originals are the western museums.

    • @Florendil Hobbit One could argue that the countries that stole these artifacts owe significant reparations to the country of origin for the period of time they have illegally held these object. Y'know if you steal something you don't just have to return the item you usually also have to pay damages for the loss of that item. Those reparations could be used to build modern museums capable of taking care of these things.

    • Ruin the originals but it's ok because we made a copy. What a ridiculous woke argument.

    • There was no ethics class?

    • With the use of 3D printing technology, I'm pretty sure you could easily replicate it

  • I really dont understand why we cant just create realistic duplicates for viewing in the west. Its litterally what we do with natural history museums, the majority of old west attractions, and everyone loves it and still appreciates it even if its not the original. Also loved the "oversized schnauz and this fd up dinger" bit, lol.

    • @stan frymann I dont understand, because people can and will take care of their own artifacts, and as this program pointed out, we arent doing much besides hoarding it all, and in some cases; mistreating it as well. To clear things up for all the comments here: this was a rhetorical question. There is no valid reason why duplicates can't be a solution. I dont actually want to hear any arguments against that, but I can't do anything to stop you all from discussing it.

    • That happened here recently, the Moesgaard Museum had an exhibit about ancient China and they got loaned a replica from China for that exhibit. Also late last year they also did an exhibit about the Rus and loaned a bunch of artifacts from Ukraine to do so, that turned out to have been fortunate when the war broke out and right now they're being kept in Denmark, with the permission of Ukraine, until the war is over.

    • @stan frymann Not yours to decide. Not yours for you to place your standard of value on it Or how it should be handled or what should happen to it. It is only for you to observe, maybe & keep it moving. imagine someone coming & basically takes your car, move it across the street to their house because they didn't like how you kept it clean, you didn't service it well enough, Or how it should be handled or what should happen to it?? You drove it too much & it was going to lose its value with your use... now imagine you built this car from hand? everything- welding the whole nine. Now imagine your great great great great great great grandpa built that car & you KNOW it BUT you can't get it back because of how you decided to use that which was rightfully yours to decide🤨🤔 it's not their place

    • Because this is less about the artifacts than it is power authority and world domination and how dare any of you question Britain and any of the nations that spawn from it about anything that they have done corrupt in the world! they created the corruption and then set up the standard that they Are above reproach all over the world no one can say anything about it or do anything about anything they do or did! why!? why are people begging them for their things. It's illegal for you to have them Because of how you got them. End of discussion. why are they even allowed to frame the narrative when is obvious Plundering that in a lot of cases went with a bunch of horrible deaths & they're admitting it🤯 in some cases. So basically nothing from history has changed- they're still the world's bullies

    • @Ducklingscap People won’t waste their time on duplicates since it’s worthless.

  • The thinking behind: if we gave some of the stuff we stole back we'd have to give all the stuff we stole back, so...no. That's insane. If an institution only exists because of a series of moral and ethical wrongs, then that institution should not exist. Not unless you can right those wrongs and transform it into something that sustains itself ethically.

    • It's hilarious that you can not realize how evil you are when you argument relies on "if we corrected this horrible injustice then we'd have to correct all the horrible injustices we carried out!"

    • They would apply that standard to everyone else in the world except themselves

    • Britain has plenty of its own history and artifacts they could showcase in the British Museum instead of relying on stuff they stole from other countries.

    • @Yudith Caron And are now a pile of dust or in a private collection.

    • The Greeks really have a good idea there. All Occidental museums should build replicas of the art that was stolen and display that with a sign that says (truthfully) that the original was returned to its home country.

  • The impact of this whole piece culminating in Kumail Nanjiani's comment about Gerald Ford's ribs is profound and so understated! Well done LWT!! (Ps Kumail's delivery is masterful!)

  • When I was a preteen, my hometown museum hosted a British Museum exhibit. It was deeply moving to witness room after room of stunning artifacts… and then I came to a huge wooden Buddha head, the plaque of which indicated that it had been removed from a statue. Somewhere out there was a headless statue, hundreds of years old and of great spiritual significance to any number of people. Who decided they could do without it? In that awful moment I realized many of the items around me had been stolen in one way or another. I’m of Greek descent so I should have known this from the start. I finished my tour of the exhibit with horrified eyes. John Oliver and team have done an excellent job once again. Love the closing skit. F U, ongoing colonialism!

  • Looting national treasures has a long history. In Rome , you can see an ancient Egyptian obelisk. On the Arch of Titus, they parade the treasures of conquered Jerusalem, including the Ark of the Covenant and the Temple Candelabra. Looting by governments and soldiers has a long history as rewards for their wars.

  • "We can't do the right thing now, or else we'd have to do the right thing again in the future" - the British Museum.

    • @hedgehog3180 Who else owned most of the means of production in the republican Rome? Private land owners owning slaves to work on these fields. That were certainly not fiefs with serfs.

    • @ListenerObserver Capitalism arises in the 17th and 18th century, it did not exist in Ancient Rome. Capitalism is not simply having a market, capitalism specifically refers to a system with private ownership of the means of production, that system arose first in England due to the enclosure acts which slowly put all of the productive land in the country in the hands of the nobility.

    • @qwertyuiopzxcfgh They're referring to the enclosure acts, essentially the British nobility slowly stole all of the land of the British people and then after the process was done they invented private property and now you could only acquire land by selling it, y'know after they had forcibly taken it from everyone else. This also ties in with how the British upper class largely avoids paying land taxes by having it grandfathered in before property taxes became a thing so long as they keep it in the family.

    • @TheForcedMeme; Filthy Papist you mean the empire did everything wrong?. You are a Shameless apologist

    • @Arcadia Berger I don't even want to ask where they got the marble

  • Doesn't or didn't the British Museum also have the skeleton remains of Charles Byrne who specifically stated multiple times he didn't want his remains displayed and had his body sunk in the ocean to prevent it, and they still took it? (This was the Irish Giant, and I remember the British Museum getting a lot of backlash and seeing a petition growing traction so perhaps his remains are out, but I remember that being a thing from Ask A Mortician's channel).

    • Not the British museum, but actually the Hunterian Museum owned and managed by the Royal College of Surgeons of England. The problem was just as you said, however, they were/are (not sure what recent developments there have been) displaying his body expressly against Charles Byrne's wishes.

  • In some cases it's a bit more tricky... many of the Greek statues and treasures have been saved from destruction when the British officers legitimately bought them from the Ottoman occupiers of Greece.

  • Seeing all those artifacts in boxes and growing up surrounded by native tribes made me tear up. Knowing how many were killed without mercy and looted. All these items stored away still stained with blood and pain. Anyone of those boxes would bring so much back to tribes that have so little left of their past

    • Well in return Everyone wears Yves saint Laurent, dior, Burberry, Karl lagerfeld, Zara, Ralph Lauren, Calvin Klein, Victoria secret, Nike, tom Ford, Fendi, Versace, Louis Vuitton, chanel etc

    • Worse yet, witness the slight camera angle to include the guide's face in the same camera shot. I'm sure this was NOT an accident. You can see the clueless glee on the guide's face thinking they'd be so happy to see these artifacts, when in fact it was devastating to see their culture buried in boxes in a basement. If white privilege could be captured in a video clip, this would be it.

    • @Lawrence Iverson I see what you mean, but the repatriation of native american human remains and artifacts is actually more than a warm feeling on our part. It serves a lot of purposes, wheiter cultural or social. Cultural because some objects are still in use and returning those we have looted can help the community elders to teach the youngest members about their traditions and practices so that they don’t get lost (amongst other things). Social because returning an ancestor home is reinforcing the social cohesion of the group and their ties to their cultural heritage. They want to protect this heritage and us stealing their people and sacred items is robbing them of the power to make their own histories and future. For us, its good practice, but for native communities its preservation and self determination. So yeah, i can argue that the loss of material kept in boxes compared to the preservation of communities’s identity and heritage don’t have the same weight ☺️

    • @Lawrence Iverson yes because some objects being returned is not justice for the genocide of 10,000 million native peoples' lives lost.

    • No it wouldn't it would just give you a nice warm feeling of having (at some removes ) done the right thing

  • Just yesterday I visited a museum in Goa, India. It had sculptures from like 12th, 13th, 14th centuries. Surprisingly, almost all had their head missing

  • I studied Native American Anthropology under a Cherokee professor, and one of the things she was involved with (a side hustle, you could say) was seeking to get stolen Native artifacts out of museum basements and back with the tribes. In one case, the museum was being stubborn that "you can't prove we stole this," so my professor tracked down the granddaughter of the woman who made the item (I think it was a ceremonial bead robe or shawl). This tribal elder explained the little tricks her grandmother used that literally no one could have known, things even the museum didn't notice until they inspected even closer, family trade secrets she still used and had taught to her own grandchildren. She made it more than abundantly clear, this belonged to her family. Back in the 1800s, her village was raided and her grandmother gangraped by White men. They ran off with anything they thought looked valuable. This included some of the young girls, livestock, head dresses, furs, and her beadwork outfits. So not only was it stolen, but in a really horrific manner. The museum had bought the majority of their Native American artifacts off a group of rapists. That was not the type of publicity they wanted, so they gave it back. This old lady wore her grandmother's robe at the next dance ceremony. All of this was around 20 years ago, so I hope her grandkids still wear that outfit at ceremonies.

    • @John L The way you purely phrase this as a hypothetical makes it so obvious that it has never happened so why are you trying to bring up this as some sort of gotcha? Even if it did happen it might be impossible to figure out these days because Europeans wiped out most tribes and destroyed their historical records and artifacts.

    • HOLY SHIT - thank you for sharing this powerful story and sad history.

    • We should be doing this in Canada, too. But I don't think we will.

    • Japan is very guilty of this too and unlike the West, don't even admit any of it but straight up drive their entire national rhetoric to play the race card against "evil Americans." _(there's a good reason 1 billion Asians cheered for nuclear emancipation from human experimentation, genocide, massacres, cannibalism, sex slavery, forced labor, Japanese civilian lynch mobs, Japanese civilian settlers kicking people off the land and enslaving them, while 30 million were killed by the Japanese with WMDs like germ and chemical bombs and 2 Japanese nukes in development)_ And even before colonizing Okinawa and appropriating their culture while confiscating all their weapons and imposing an even higher 90% tax rate than people back at home with 70% tax rates which already made, according to 19th century analyst Nobuhiro Satou, 1/3 of peasants killed a baby each year (he even gave specific numbers for each region). _(Calling Karate Japanese is like calling curry English, and it's no wonder Okinawans want independence like Ireland did from the English. Karate was developed to use everyday farming tools like grindstone handles as tonfas and threshing flails as nunchaku, all to disable samurai oppressors' katanas and save their Okinawan families from brutal exploitation and butchering. Lots of basic karate moves make no sense until you realize it's meant to be exercises for tonfas)_ Japan was always a land full of pirates and samurai slavers that weren't content selling their own girls to Portuguese slavers for muskets (but not cannons, they thought cannons were useless until they realized their mistake when they invaded Korea in 1592 and was repelled by Korean cannons and organ guns and missile artillery. They first tried to make their own cannons in 1609) _(Also they had an international slave girl brothel empire from the 1500s to 1900s called Karayuki-san funding their wars, sacrificing their 300,000 girls in the 50 years around 1900 alone for "progress", their slave girl empire even reached as far as India and Australia. It's reviving now too as Japanese economy goes into a 30-year recession and American monetary and tech is finally pulled out of Japan after the Cold War and Japanese can't back their propaganda anymore when they are left to stand on their own)._ No, they had to go around raiding coastal towns all over East Asia for slaves, pottery, gold, and buddhist statues. In fact the Kinzaemon Ido pottery, a national treasure of Japan since the 1500s, is actually discovered to be some Korean peasant's bowl stolen by Japanese slavers. Then they weren't satisfied with that and kidnapped 1000s of potters and technicians to develop Japan's backwards industry and culture in the 1590s invasions of Korea. The Shim SuGwan (Chin Jukan)s are 15 generations of the best potters in Japan who retain their Korean identity to this day and hold annual Korean ceremonies and such. Then of course they stamp their seal on it and sell it overseas as their achievements, which is like if someone came and kidnapped 1000s of bright minds in the Silicon Valley and made them work for them and announce to the world their country is full of geniuses. Japan was forever the backwards island of genocidal samurais killing the Ezo, Hayato, Kumaso, the original native Japanese to extinction without even any native reservations and the Ainu and Ryukyuan and Nivkh and Oroks have fled off of Japanese mainland entirely, and desperate for cultural advances from the continent (even the miitary dictator Tokugawa Shogunate begged Korea to send scholars and artisans to educate them, as "TongShinSa," and had huge parades going through Japan whenever they come every 30 years or so, any more frequent would bankrupt those cities they passed through) and had a deep seated inferiority complex which is why they were so violent and arrogant. In 2012 and 2014, some Koreans forcibly repatriated 2 buddhist statues, just 2 of 60,000 Korean treasures still kept stolen by Japanese pirates in the 1600s and put in display/temples, and were called thieves by the Japanese when they were the ones who stole it for centuries. And even said this "theft" is why they can't return the remaining 60,000 to Korea. Well if they were going to return it, they would have done so centuries ago, and should not have even stolen it in the first place. This is like calling the police the "thieves" when he was just apprehending the real thief and forcibly returning his loot to the rightful owners.

    • @Willow Snider YES YES and YES - there is so much sexualized violence that happens it’s not surprising when people can’t or won’t believe it. And it’s still happening…

  • this whole story reminds me of that scene in Marvel's Black Panther where Kill Monger (Michael B Jordon's character) went to the British Museum and told the expert there how they got their artifacts by taking it by force.

    • Japan is very guilty of this too and unlike the West, don't even admit any of it but straight up drive their entire national rhetoric to play the race card against "evil Americans." _(there's a good reason 1 billion Asians cheered for nuclear emancipation from human experimentation, genocide, massacres, cannibalism, sex slavery, forced labor, while 30 million were killed by the Japanese with WMDs like germ and chemical bombs and 2 Japanese nukes in development)_ And even before colonizing Okinawa and appropriating their culture while confiscating all their weapons and imposing an even higher 90% tax rate than people back at home with 70% tax rates which already made, according to 19th century analyst Nobuhiro Satou, 1/3 of peasants killed a baby each year (he even gave specific numbers for each region). _(Calling Karate Japanese is like calling curry English, and it's no wonder Okinawans want independence like Ireland did from the English. Karate was developed to use everyday farming tools like grindstone handles as tonfas and threshing flails as nunchaku, all to disable samurai oppressors' katanas and save their Okinawan families from brutal exploitation and butchering. Lots of basic karate moves make no sense until you realize it's meant to be exercises for tonfas)_ Japan was always a land full of pirates and samurai slavers that weren't content selling their own girls to Portuguese slavers for muskets (but not cannons, they thought cannons were useless until they realized their mistake when they invaded Korea in 1592 and was repelled by Korean cannons and organ guns and missile artillery. They first tried to make their own cannons in 1609) _(Also they had an international slave girl brothel empire from the 1500s to 1900s called Karayuki-san funding their wars, sacrificing their 300,000 girls in the 50 years around 1900 alone for "progress", their slave girl empire even reached as far as India and Australia. It's reviving now too as Japanese economy goes into a 30-year recession and American monetary and tech is finally pulled out of Japan after the Cold War and Japanese can't back their propaganda anymore when they are left to stand on their own)._ No, they had to go around raiding coastal towns all over East Asia for slaves, pottery, gold, and buddhist statues. In fact the Kinzaemon Ido pottery, a national treasure of Japan since the 1500s, is actually discovered to be some Korean peasant's bowl stolen by Japanese slavers. Then they weren't satisfied with that and kidnapped 1000s of potters and technicians to develop Japan's backwards industry and culture in the 1590s invasions of Korea. The Shim SuGwan (Chin Jukan)s are 15 generations of the best potters in Japan who retain their Korean identity to this day and hold annual Korean ceremonies and such. Then of course they stamp their seal on it and sell it overseas as their achievements, which is like if someone came and kidnapped 1000s of bright minds in the Silicon Valley and made them work for them and announce to the world their country is full of geniuses. Japan was forever the backwards island of genocidal samurais killing the Ezo, Hayato, Kumaso, the original native Japanese to extinction without even any native reservations and the Ainu and Ryukyuan and Nivkh and Oroks have fled off of Japanese mainland entirely, and desperate for cultural advances from the continent (even the miitary dictator Tokugawa Shogunate begged Korea to send scholars and artisans to educate them, as "TongShinSa," and had huge parades going through Japan whenever they come every 30 years or so, any more frequent would bankrupt those cities they passed through) and had a deep seated inferiority complex which is why they were so violent and arrogant. In 2012 and 2014, some Koreans forcibly repatriated 2 buddhist statues, just 2 of 60,000 Korean treasures still kept stolen by Japanese pirates in the 1600s and put in display/temples, and were called thieves by the Japanese when they were the ones who stole it for centuries. And even said this "theft" is why they can't return the remaining 60,000 to Korea. Well if they were going to return it, they would have done so centuries ago, and should not have even stolen it in the first place. This is like calling the police the "thieves" when he was just apprehending the real thief and forcibly returning his loot to the rightful owners.

  • I didn't think I would be so moved by this episode, but taking people's history and storing it in basements is really one of the most atrocious things that could be done. This really saddened me.

    • @Beaudile It's funny how smug you are when you don't even know what "gaslighting" means.

    • @Emily B. just steal them back. Tell them it's not looting, because they should have taken better care of them.

    • @Beaudile Imagine being a looting apologist

    • You've been gaslighted, I'm afraid to say. If you're really interested in this complex topic, research it a little bit more thoroughly than this so-called comedian and his team have done. They come to you with an agenda and are dealing in propaganda, not facts. Or at the very least, they carefully choose which facts they want to talk about.

  • "I'm serious, give me a number for how long after his death it's okay to have a part of someone's body sweating in your museum's hot storage. 🤨🤨🤨🤨" Kumail's delivery on that line is unmatched.

  • Ty.Oliver again delivers! Imagine a Nigerian field trip that included the Benin bronzes. Imagine the pride of culture. As a child I didn't need to hear about how the Met acquired its art bc I assumed the early antiquities stolen. All cultures need to have them returned asap.

    • stolen from their community. She was disciplined for trying to help them. I’d love you to do a story about their struggle.

  • One really funny thing is that there is a head of a statue from the Acropolis in the Danish National Museum and it has a little plaque next to it saying "the rest of the statue can be found in the British Museum" and then if you go to the British Museum they talk about the head as if Denmark somehow specifically stole it from them and they're really pissy about it. It's hilarious to see just how much they hate it when they taste their own medicine.

  • I'm so glad John did this episode. I'm a curator of provenance and archaeologist seeking to inject more BIPOC and ethical perspectives in curatorship. Provenance is beyond important. Once an item is determined to be stolen or their provenance record is dodgy, we must begin the process of repatriation along with establishing a transparent line of communication with the public our institutions serve and the citizens of the home country where the item is being prepped for return.

  • When I was a kid, I came across a mummy in a museum whose face and feet were opened up to view. The guy had a name, a job description and I was aware that this was not the fate he'd been expecting. Even to this day, I feel very sad for Hor.

    • I pray his exposed toes reminds us that we should not disturb the dead, because it is wrong. Rest in peace.

    • @matthewpinn4 there's so much sacrilege that's occurred, the river of the night will always be filled with tears of those disrespected.

    • Even worse when you consider Egyptian belief states if your burial is improper you will be doomed to the rivers of the night forever instead of their paradise

  • The parody video at the end really puts it into perspective. I believe museums should absolutely display artifacts from around the world-but recreations. Scan or photograph the originals, document materials/ingredients/etc., so it’s preserved. Then, send ALL the originals home. You have a copy & a record, so you’re still in business. Plus, more ppl can see it.

    • Or maybe once they stop being little shits about it the original museums might be willing to loan some artifacts out.

    • The first Egyptian museum, built in Cairo, was actually built by a French man, Auguste Mariette, who was against Napoleon III's attempts to take Egyptian artifacts to France. He strongly proposed that all Egyptian artifacts must be protected within Egypt.

  • My grandmother found out her grand parents had managed to obtain an Eaglehead dress when she was going through our family storage, she contacted a bunch of people about where it should be probably donated, the museums wanted to not only claim it and planned to put in storage , but were going to fine her for owning it. Keep in mind she was not trying to sell just send it where it should be, thankfully a native American Heritage association got ahold of her and had the legal power to defend their claim on it so it did not end up in a box in a bottom of a basement. It was really gorgoues. I wish I knew where it ended up only that it ended up with a heritage organizaiton.

    • @Mihovil BeckV you'he been mislead by stereotypes.

    • Japan is very guilty of this too and unlike the West, don't even admit any of it but straight up drive their entire national rhetoric to play the race card against "evil Americans." _(there's a good reason 1 billion Asians cheered for nuclear emancipation from human experimentation, genocide, massacres, cannibalism, sex slavery, forced labor, Japanese civilian lynch mobs, Japanese civilian settlers kicking people off the land and enslaving them, while 30 million were killed by the Japanese with WMDs like germ and chemical bombs and 2 Japanese nukes in development)_ And even before colonizing Okinawa and appropriating their culture while confiscating all their weapons and imposing an even higher 90% tax rate than people back at home with 70% tax rates which already made, according to 19th century analyst Nobuhiro Satou, 1/3 of peasants killed a baby each year (he even gave specific numbers for each region). _(Calling Karate Japanese is like calling curry English, and it's no wonder Okinawans want independence like Ireland did from the English. Karate was developed to use everyday farming tools like grindstone handles as tonfas and threshing flails as nunchaku, all to disable samurai oppressors' katanas and save their Okinawan families from brutal exploitation and butchering. Lots of basic karate moves make no sense until you realize it's meant to be exercises for tonfas)_ Japan was always a land full of pirates and samurai slavers that weren't content selling their own girls to Portuguese slavers for muskets (but not cannons, they thought cannons were useless until they realized their mistake when they invaded Korea in 1592 and was repelled by Korean cannons and organ guns and missile artillery. They first tried to make their own cannons in 1609) _(Also they had an international slave girl brothel empire from the 1500s to 1900s called Karayuki-san funding their wars, sacrificing their 300,000 girls in the 50 years around 1900 alone for "progress", their slave girl empire even reached as far as India and Australia. It's reviving now too as Japanese economy goes into a 30-year recession and American monetary and tech is finally pulled out of Japan after the Cold War and Japanese can't back their propaganda anymore when they are left to stand on their own)._ No, they had to go around raiding coastal towns all over East Asia for slaves, pottery, gold, and buddhist statues. In fact the Kinzaemon Ido pottery, a national treasure of Japan since the 1500s, is actually discovered to be some Korean peasant's bowl stolen by Japanese slavers. Then they weren't satisfied with that and kidnapped 1000s of potters and technicians to develop Japan's backwards industry and culture in the 1590s invasions of Korea. The Shim SuGwan (Chin Jukan)s are 15 generations of the best potters in Japan who retain their Korean identity to this day and hold annual Korean ceremonies and such. Then of course they stamp their seal on it and sell it overseas as their achievements, which is like if someone came and kidnapped 1000s of bright minds in the Silicon Valley and made them work for them and announce to the world their country is full of geniuses. Japan was forever the backwards island of genocidal samurais killing the Ezo, Hayato, Kumaso, the original native Japanese to extinction without even any native reservations and the Ainu and Ryukyuan and Nivkh and Oroks have fled off of Japanese mainland entirely, and desperate for cultural advances from the continent (even the miitary dictator Tokugawa Shogunate begged Korea to send scholars and artisans to educate them, as "TongShinSa," and had huge parades going through Japan whenever they come every 30 years or so, any more frequent would bankrupt those cities they passed through) and had a deep seated inferiority complex which is why they were so violent and arrogant. In 2012 and 2014, some Koreans forcibly repatriated 2 buddhist statues, just 2 of 60,000 Korean treasures still kept stolen by Japanese pirates in the 1600s and put in display/temples, and were called thieves by the Japanese when they were the ones who stole it for centuries. And even said this "theft" is why they can't return the remaining 60,000 to Korea. Well if they were going to return it, they would have done so centuries ago, and should not have even stolen it in the first place. This is like calling the police the "thieves" when he was just apprehending the real thief and forcibly returning his loot to the rightful owners.

    • @MTguy1 Boozh. I never said everything was stolen, I said everything that was stolen should be returned. Also, it's never too late to reconnect with your tribe and culture, if that's something you want to do.

    • @nds711D I'm a card carrying Native too and it's dishonest to conclude that everything museums have was "stolen" despite the assertion there are natives who don't care and never cared particularly about items that belonged to other members. Someone else's headdress being worth a new rifle in trade happened every day and we all know it. Also for every "tradition" following tribe member there's 10 who pay lip service at best. Admittedly I'm an apple of course so what I've seen and experienced over 40 years doesn't fit the narrative. . . .

    • @Mihovil BeckV Are you serious? Not only is your assumption that the heritage foundation wouldn't care about its significance disgusting, you are wholly denying any possible spiritual or religious significance of the item as well. Do you think a crucifix from the 1800's should never be displayed just because it is old? What about a rosary that's a family heirloom? Should it never be used in prayer?

  • Now I want John to really steal Stonehenge. Or the Eiffel tower. Heck, he can have the Bavaria if he wants to.

  • The one argument I can think of regarding certain artifacts not being returned would be to countries either run by or with a strong presence of terrorists since many terror groups specifically target cultural heritage sites and museums, purposefully destroying history and artifacts. I think that aside from those very extreme instances, it’s important to return items blatantly stolen. One of the better ideas I can think of is how King Tut’s mummy traveled to a variety of different museums and went on display all across the world. If museums really want to bring people together then they should begin fostering working relationships museums across the globe and establishing a practice of borrowing and lending artifacts to one another for a set amount of time. I know that’s obviously not as easy it sounds since you never know what might happen during transport and if a government might get involved holding artifacts hostage at customs for months on end in crappy conditions, but I think this would be the best way for the most people to be able to experience all of these artifacts and to do so in a mutually beneficial and respectful way.

    • How about India then? Its literally 3rd strongest nation and has more budget for its history and is stable too.

  • What a sublime episode. Especially that ending.

  • I'm an art historian. I'm delighted to see John talking about this topic and so many people being interested in it! His account is very accurate. I'd like to add a few points for context and my personal account of working in the field. On the topic of provenance and disclosure: I personally start all my work with historical (especially foreign) objects with my own provenance research. In my experience, the institutions holding these objects often have little to none founded information - most information displayed is guesswork, which is what art history used to be in the early 20th century: studying art until your eye was so trained that you would identify artefacts based on looking at the design very closely. Today, art history as a scientific discipline holds much more scientific methods of studying objects of course, such as following primary sources to understand the cultural significance and digging through transportation and selling documents to establish provenance. But lack of resources often means that the institutions never paid researchers to revise their information with such contemporary research methods. Mind you, collections can contain tens of thousands of objects - that is work for many, many lifetimes. So straight out the gate, I don't trust the shit white people have written and do my own research against it - as any researcher should. In maybe 8/10 cases I find new information the institution either lacked or willfully omitted, both on provenance and cultural significance. On the topic of storage: It is common everywhere in the world that the collections are much, much bigger than what fits in the exhibition space. This has one very important conservative reason: rotating the objects on display protects them from degradation. Storage spaces are highly monitored and full of tech to help preserve the objects for as long as possible, they are far from dingy basements with moving boxes. Being in the exhibition space and coming in contact with light, humidity etc. ages the objects, which can alter or destroy them. Just to give you some context from the field, which I think by no means invalidates how the situation influences people emotionally, of course. I share John's stance wholeheartedly.

    • @kat neat. I used to volunteer in the archival dept of our science museum. part of my job was to add the meta data from the assension files. I was quite surprised how much of the collection seemed to be family albums. Anyways, the archive dept was in the basement, so i got to see all the behind the scenes storage. For instance, the diaromas were recreations of literal photographs, so i got to label the exibit locations on thsoe photos as well. I learned the birds on display were sawed in half, because that was the prefered method of display in the 1800s, but now the prefered method is a more natural look, so they all had to be glued back together!

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  • Greek person here: our conservation methods are actually very advanced. I attended a seminar a few years ago where a specialist actually went into detail about the methods they use to conserve and preserve the marbles. A lot of time and effort is put into researching the best ways to care for our artefacts, something that can’t be said for the British museum.

    • @Thane's Games What a way to just straight up lie. Saying "after the locals blew it up by storing gunpowder" is a pretty rich way to say that the Ottoman fucking Empire used it as a gunpowder depot and it blew up in a battle that was a part of the Greek Revolution, y'know when they were trying to get independence from the Ottomans. It's like saying that the British can't be trusted to store anything themselves because they were storing bombs in the middle of London and lost several artifacts due to it, in reference to the fucking Blitz. Also it's hilarious how just obviously hypocritical your argument is, apparently it's only okay for Greece to have artifacts from the Parthenon (which was a government building that also just housed a temple to Athena) if they still worship Athena (which I mean I'm sure you can find some neo-pagans who do). But England, which not only isn't where Athena originated but is also today Protestant Christian is apparently a perfectly natural home because at some point people did worship a deity inspired by Athena there. Even though those people, Romanized Celtic Britons, had their culture wiped out by the Anglo-Saxons. By your own fucking logic, as broken as it is, these artifacts apparently rightfully belong to Wales and Ireland since those are the only places where Celtic culture survives. It's just spectacular how confidently you say such stupid shit.

    • @icecube don't bother with @Thane's Games Another user already pretty much debunked everything he wrote by the detail

    • @Mervyn Greene lol So after saving a beaten neglected child return them without consideration of environs now that mom is homeless but out jail...? When something is taken due to importance case should be a factor in returning the item. What good is returning an object that will just be destroyed. Might as well just keep it then.

    • @Mervyn Greene they belong in the museums now

    • @Butterme Pancake So, now that the war is over, will they give these items back?

  • Every time I go running in Central Park and see the Egyptian obelisk in the park, I’m reminded of our theft of ancient antiquities. Why we haven’t given them back decades ago is beyond me.

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  • I'm an Iraqi and my first time seeing artifacts from Mesopotamia and Egypt was at the Vatican museum.

  • I adore the payback museum almost more than anything I have seen before, the only thing missing was the room of queens corgis I was half expecting.

  • I knew someone who used to work in the British Museum and let me tell you, what they hide in their vaults are much more valuable than what they show off

  • The way that woman smiles as she patronizes, is chilling.

    • @hedgehog3180 Well... yeah. It doesn't seem fair to just give people money for what my great-great-great-great-great-grandfather did to your great-great-great-great-great-grandfather.

    • @Abercrombie Blovs It's always "you can't blame me for what my ancestors did hundreds of years ago, however I will keep the profits from their historical crimes".

    • Humans can have excuse for anything. They can quiet literally justify any atrocities.

    • Let's not ignore that she's American, so she also stole that accent.

    • I don't think he cares that they don't care and just uses it for his own amusement

  • I worked on the Parthenon and other artifact conservation efforts. A serious concern: accelerated deterioration due to modern man made changes to atmospheric chemistry would result in complete erosion of surface features in a few decades. If the orphaned artifacts are repatriated, they and host substrates must be conserved and maintained in a stable environment if the long-term stability is a goal.

    • What if long term stability is not the goal but knowing and feeling connected to one's own culture's history is?

  • I could see the payback museum actually being possible. Or even a reverse Indiana Jones series where they steal national relics from America and Europe and put them in museums in those other countries. After which they can be traded for the stolen relics taken centuries ago.

  • I love history and I love museums but if this is the lengths that we have to go to in order to educate people the building honestly deserves to be empty.

  • Kumail's delivery had me in stitches! That was so good.

  • Fun fact about the Elgin Marbles: After the British Museum refused to return them on the grounds that Greece didn’t have a proper place to display them, they built the state of the art modern Acropolis Museum in Athens for the chief purpose of housing the Elgin Marbles. They still refuse to send them back. Also, when Lord Elgin was transporting the marbles to Britain, the ship they were on sank, and the marbles had to be salvaged from the ocean floor.

    • @PASTAFARIANS, UNITE! Jesus saves but I spend (alot)

    • @Seattle_dude you mean, why should they return a literal piece of a country's history to said country? Please do read this sentence again and see for yourself. If I took something that belongs to you, wouldn't I be obliged to give it back to you?

    • Greece requires handouts to keep its people from eating dirt. They're literally not capable of taking care of living people, let alone their artifacts. Good grief.

    • @Jesus Saves! God prefers an atheist. Atheists use morality based on what's good, instead of threatening people with hellfire all day.

    • The ship didn’t sink itself 👀

  • When James Acaster did that bit about the British Museum saying "No, we're not done looking at it", I didn't realise he was just pretty much literally quoting them.

  • ❤That was soooooo well done. Thanks for all the facts, info, humor & the finale.❤Brass panels, Native American "artifacts" & Eastern, Asian religious "objects" especially impactful to me. (James Acaster did an excellent piece on England's looting in his 2018 Netflix show "Repertoire"➡hilarious, but w/such glaring pith 🎯.)

  • I know this is a comedic news show but i couldn’t stop crying… they stole everything about us

  • Fantastic episode. Keep doing what you’re doing y’all, you’re immensely talented and needed!❤

  • This reminds me a lot of the Irish Giant Charles Byrne. He was 7' 7'' and he was so afraid of a collector or museum displaying his body when he died that he had his friends bury him at sea. Unfortunately, before his friends could follow through with their promise his corpse was stolen by a 'collector' and was eventually sold to the Royal College of Surgeons in London. It is still on display there over 200 years later despite efforts by activists for him to be buried. People with the same genetic condition as Byrne, who are from the same part of the country as him and probably share DNA have offered to donate their skeletons when they die so that Byrne can be released, but the museum has always refused.

    • So glad the Irish finally found independence from the ruthless English. Wish the same for the Okinawan Independence movement. 4 centuries of being butchered by samurai oppressors for 90% tax rates (Japanese mainland had 75% average and it was already driving droves of mothers to kill their own babies in what's called MABIKI because they can't afford to feed them. 19th century analyst Nobuhiro Satou even gave specific numbers for each region and said 1/3 of peasant houses kill a baby each year) and having all their weapons confiscated made the Okinawans develop Karate using everyday farming tools (grindstone handles became the Tonfa, threshing flaisl became the Nunchaku, etc., and lots of Karate moves make no sense until you realize they are exercises to use with these farming tools in ways to disable samurai oppressors' katanas) But Japan stole that too, selling it as their own martial arts overseas. While within Japan, Okinawans were used as cannon fodder and gaslighted to blow themselves up for emperor hirohito who is supposedly the one true god all must pray towards his Tokyo palace every day and promised to be sent to Zen Buddhist paradise upon dying in battle. Then they gaslighted that Americans will eat and violate their children so upon losing the war, they were told to kill their children themselves to spare them the fate, and follow in suit with seppuku. When American forces landed, Okinawans were surprised they only received food and medicine, and discovered it was the Japanese who tortured raped and sent the Okinawan children to die as cannon fodder to American guns, and wept tears of blood at the graves of the children they were gaslighted to kill. One such group of schoolgirls, the Himeyuri Students, were sent to die for Japan so Japan can say "Look how brutal the evil Americans were in killing these (not) Japanese girls!" There's a good reason 1 billion Asians cheered for American nukes emancipating them from Japanese slavery, sex slavery, forced labor, Japanese civilian lynch mobs, Japanese civilian settlers kicking people off the land and enslaving them, human experimentation, cannibalism, 30 million massacred, human experimentation on fetus formed from forced impregnation of schoolgirls, and WMDs like anthrax germ bombs and mustard gas chemical bombs dropped on Asian cities for 30 years, plus 2 nukes they were developing right to the end of the war. Not even Nazis used WMDs in war.

    • Time for someone to steal a corpse to honor a dead man's wish.

    • @Carin Jacobsson no this was the big one in the national museum a few years back, they had some replica pieces sure but it included all the real pieces that they had been holding in storage as well

    • ​@jess gunn Wasn't that the exhibition with replicas though? I know a Tutankhamun exhibition with repIicas has toured around.

    • @K BEVERLEE I meant the world. All areas of the world there is bigotry based on race, religion, localities, sex, etc.

  • The way the experts are defending keeping their loot. Imagine a common thief talking that way about their stolen goods, lol.

  • Just make elaborate replicas of everything and give the original back. And if you are really worried about them not being able to take care if it properly, help them create facilities and standards of care.

  • One of the best John Oliver episodes in recent times for sure...

  • I love the " Pay Back Museum " so true to everything John Oliver was saying . The skit just solidifies everything being said !

  • One thing John didn't mention was how much more stolen art is hidden away in private collections. These people often have deeper pockets and less hesitation to acquiring art with a "dubious" ownership history.

    • Ownership? The ones that loot and pay? Return to the source the heirs, not the thieves.

    • @Dr. Zoidberg SO, all private collectors are "weirdos" You kids sure get judgemental sometimes.

    • Stop people from hoarding art... it's your fault. Let people keep their art and they sell it or destroy it... your fault. White people are truly the cause of everything bad.

    • To all the people commenting on how it's irrelevant to museums : it is. Museums often have sizeable parts of their collections gifted/donated/loaned for exhibitions out of this type of collections. Or they are funded either partially or totally by rich collectors, who sometimes even open up private (but open to the public) museums of their own. It's often a way to feel less guilty, or attract prestige, or acquire an image of a public benefactor, or just sometimes to have the collection acquire more value by being published in catalogues and seen by the public before being sold at auction. In and of itself, it can be an issue but isn't in most cases (where state-funded museums basically are co-opted for private interests it's actually dubious). The true problem is when said art is looted art, as for pretty obvious reasons it acquires more value and collectors become either less willing to part with it, or will hide it, or in, extreme cases, will sell it back for a hefty price to the country of origin. China has this unofficial policy of having billionaires buy looted Chinese artefacts at auction, which might seem cool but actually feeds the market, which then hungers for more, say looted artefacts from the Middle East...

    • Makes you wonder what some super rich "good" guys might even own. Like Dwayne Johnson. I have no idea but now I'm curious.

  • Lets all appreciate that HBO puts all LWT episodes in almost their entirety for free on youtube without a shitton of ads.

  • Watched this via watching a Twitch streamer watch it and comment on it, so I’m not gonna watch it all over again… but I must go out of my way to click it, to give it a like, and comment!: This is such a good piece. Really fleshed out the logic and reasonings for both sides of the “debate” and, obviously, your show is supposed to convey serious issues in a humorous way, and you did it absolutely wonderfully. Thank you for opening my eyes. 🙏

  • When it comes to the art of constricting an empire, Hitler learned quite a few things from the British and the French, such as the nessecity of removing a country's own history when establishing your rule.

  • this was a fantastic episode😭 The way he and the writers of the show phased their discussion on why this is such an important step to decolonization was reasoned out so amazingly clearly and ethically and wow mahn just hits me in the feels

  • “We can’t return your art and culture because otherwise we wouldn’t have our own” is the most depressingly hilarious line I’ve ever heard.

    • @baka1949 This has to be funniest way to admit that you just didn't watch the video.

    • I mean, since the history of Britain is a history of conquest and theft, it makes sense in a tortured way...

    • I mean thees people don't even have their own cuisine. Are we surprised that they are throwing temper tantrums with these stolen antiquities?

    • @Oliver Fulayter The entire point is that ancient Egypt =/= modern Egypt. Suggesting they're "owed" those artifacts because they came from their country thousands of years ago is utter nonsense. It's only being brought up now because anti-anglo rhetoric is at an all-time high. There are plenty of articles covering the mishandling of artifacts in Egypt if you took one second to google it but you wont and you're set on a single mindset.

    • @Tepid Ceranda I re-went through the stuff and can agree you haven't moved the post since you've never established one. I do need to ask what you mean about the Egyptians not being able to preserve their stuff as you've so claimed. Any papers on that if you will, please. If we are talking about the same Egypt, I'm pretty sure they're actually Famous for the historical preservation they've done up to this point. Kinda like, their whole thing if I remember correctly. I would also like to see where your claims of the Nazis being historical accountants comes from as well. It's well known that one of the main things about Nazis were their attempt to fully genocide a culture and their practicing peoples. At least when it came to the Jews in particular, I don't believe preserving their history was the second next thing on the German's mind. I am to believe that they kind of wanted to erase the Jewish people and culture entirely. Like, are you claiming they preserved things of their own past and history? The things they already had in their museums and already owned? I believe it's also well known that Hitler was into the arts, so I can see you staking a claim from that line of thinking. As @M.S said, I'm sure the Nazis did realize the historical value and importance of keeping artifacts and preserving the history of what was already there. Once again I can assure you, the Nazis are most notoriously known for wanting to remove an entire people and culture off the face of the Earth. Not for wanting to preserve precious history unless it had to do with themselves. If we move on from there, MS brings up feeling that if the Nazis were wiling to start a World War, it means they were always willing to destroy places of significance and artifacts to go along with it. Which brings me to you prompting about the statues in the US being pulled down. Could you explain to me the leading of Nazis to this line of thinking? As well as please explain your use of quotations around the word, "problematic," when using said example. As this makes it seem you are in support of celebrating a horrifically oppressive past that liked people to own people instead of just seeing the statue of a figure of cultural significance that the people of today can learn and grow from. I just would love to know and understand your goals on this comment section, as I feel like I am here to deepen the conversation and learn more from those around me. See what interesting things I could stumble across and maybe add in my two cents to keep the conversation going. From my perspective, you've seemed to have come down here to just make people mad and not really add into anything. You've made bold claims with no backup or even really an explanation to what you've said. So please, please tell me what you mean by any of what you are doing.

  • What with today being Indigenous People's Day (Oct. 12th), and the recent news of the University of Kansas having over *500* funerary objects and body parts, this story and especially the ending hit home for me. As a member of the Navajo Nation, this university still having remains of my and other tribes' ancestors 30 years after the Native American Graves and Repatriation Act is beyond egregious. I don't have the words to express how furious this makes me, and how frustrating it is to have your ancestors, your family, in a box hundreds of miles from their homeland.

    • I hate this show it sucks. Please leave me alone. Please.

  • This issue gets really complicated when the artefacts are still, geographically, in their area of creation, but under the stewardship of the descendants of the genocidal conquerors that wiped out, or nearly wiped out, their creators. Examples here include ... the entire American continent. I bet the descendants of the creators of those artefacts would love to have those artefacts back, but maybe even more pressingly they would love to have some actual sovereign place they can call home to put those artefacts in. Try that on for size: Demand to return stolen ancestral lands along with stolen ancestral objects ...

  • I'm amazed that John didn't even mention how when the Elgin marbles were taken from Greece in the early 1800s, one of the ships sank underway, leaving the marbles underwater for 2 years until their recovery. So while people are arguing that taking the marbles was "saving them" from the incompetence of their own culture, the first thing the British did was let them sink to the bottom of the fucking ocean. If only the Greeks had known that marine submersion was such a vital part of properly caring for one's treasured material heritage!

  • Very good and important episode! There is a problem though that has been left out here, that I read about a while ago, that is that in some cases objects belong to ethnical groups that aren't actually properly represented (or sometimes even suppressed) by the governments of the present day nation states that are in their place, so that negotiations about returns with their "home country" governments are actually a little besides the interest of the group of people that should actually be posessing them.

  • Fun fact the word loot is a Hindi / Sanskrit (Indian language) word. So the British looted so much that they even took the word loot which the people cried when they were looting.

    • @docvideo93 Yes it does have the same meaning.

    • Sadly there is a Korean word for golden treasure, nodaji, which originally came from English “no touch” yelled at those pesky locals getting in the way of that loot

    • You can’t loot language unless you’re drinking the hate kool aid. The haterade.

    • 😮

    • @Organic Farm they all originate from proto indo-european which is what nearly every language with a few exceptions from Europe to India come from Also lone words are interesting, for example "anime" (meaning Japanese animation) is a lone word from Japanese (which means just any animation), except it's also a lone word from the English word... animation, just without the "tion" So it's a lone word of a lone word, which was originally basically itself Also one may think that the word emoji has a similar origin but it's actually just a coincidence that it kinda sounds like it partly came from "emotion" From Wikipedia, "Originally meaning pictograph, the word emoji comes from Japanese e (絵, 'picture') + moji (文字, 'character'); the resemblance to the English words emotion and emoticon is purely coincidental."

  • In the age of digital media there's no excuse to have stolen artifacts. We can just do a virtual tour of muesuems in other countries. Give them back their aritifacts.

    • Very true, also should pay royalties to the origin country for the digitization.

  • I was seriously shocked by looking at Chicago Institute of Art's Nepalese collection. Thank you for bringing attention to this.

  • I’m glad you’re talking about this because Peru has always taken great care of what’s in their museums and us Peruvians don’t even get access to see this because the British visa process is extremely hard, assuming you can even afford to fly. Artifacts should be back with their countries. As a Peruvian, I would love to see peru receive its artifacts and gold back from these European countries

  • This reminds me of the stories of the last native Tasmanians. Truganini begged the authorities for a respectful burial and requested that her ashes be scattered in the D'Entrecasteaux Channel. She feared that her body would be mutilated for perverse scientific purposes as William Lanne's had been. ( The Royal College of Surgeons of England and the Royal Society of Tasmania argued over who should possess his remains). Anyway, Truganini's remains were on public display until 1947 and her wishes were not honored until 1976, almost 100 years after her death. BUTTTTTT in 2002 they found her hair and skin was still at The Royal College of Surgeons of England. It's been reported that these remains were also, finally, returned to Tasmania for burial. Horrific.

  • I met some members of the Lakota Nation a few years back. They told me that one of the leaders in the community, Mama Jules, was Crazy Horse's granddaughter, and that she had been trying for years to get his war jacket/vest back from the Smithsonian. The Smithsonian just kept delaying and giving bogus answers for why it could not be returned. All of these cases take on a greater level of frustration when you hear the personal stories of the folk the items were taken from.

    • @hedgehog3180 I could say the same of you, even moreso. I've seen the state of antiques kept in attics or "souvenirs" kept in trophy rooms and I've never thought "im sure this would be much more moth eaten in a museum". If a museum isn't keeping things properly the answer is a better museum, not handing it off to someone with dubious claims or auctioning it off to the highest bidder like happens with a lot of privately owned artifacts.

    • @Danemr Reschke Also historically these museums have been terrible at preserving those objects and many of them have been damaged or destroyed in their care, when they were being cared for just fine in the original owners care. You just have a bias and chose to make some extreme mental gymnastics to justify it.

    • @Danemr Reschke What the fuck kind of argument is that? The British Museum saved the artifacts, from the soldiers of their own country? What about just not fucking sending the soldiers in the first place so you don't have to "save" any of the artifacts from them?

    • Japan is very guilty of this too and unlike the West, don't even admit any of it but straight up drive their entire national rhetoric to play the race card against "evil Americans." _(there's a good reason 1 billion Asians cheered for nuclear emancipation from human experimentation, genocide, massacres, cannibalism, sex slavery, forced labor, while 30 million were killed by the Japanese with WMDs like germ and chemical bombs and 2 Japanese nukes in development)_ And even before colonizing Okinawa and appropriating their culture while confiscating all their weapons and imposing an even higher 90% tax rate than people back at home with 70% tax rates which already made, according to 19th century analyst Nobuhiro Satou, 1/3 of peasants killed a baby each year (he even gave specific numbers for each region). _(Calling Karate Japanese is like calling curry English, and it's no wonder Okinawans want independence like Ireland did from the English. Karate was developed to use everyday farming tools like grindstone handles as tonfas and threshing flails as nunchaku, all to disable samurai oppressors' katanas and save their Okinawan families from brutal exploitation and butchering. Lots of basic karate moves make no sense until you realize it's meant to be exercises for tonfas)_ Japan was always a land full of pirates and samurai slavers that weren't content selling their own girls to Portuguese slavers for muskets (but not cannons, they thought cannons were useless until they realized their mistake when they invaded Korea in 1592 and was repelled by Korean cannons and organ guns and missile artillery. They first tried to make their own cannons in 1609) _(Also they had an international slave girl brothel empire from the 1500s to 1900s called Karayuki-san funding their wars, sacrificing their 300,000 girls in the 50 years around 1900 alone for "progress", their slave girl empire even reached as far as India and Australia. It's reviving now too as Japanese economy goes into a 30-year recession and American monetary and tech is finally pulled out of Japan after the Cold War and Japanese can't back their propaganda anymore when they are left to stand on their own)._ No, they had to go around raiding coastal towns all over East Asia for slaves, pottery, gold, and buddhist statues. In fact the Kinzaemon Ido pottery, a national treasure of Japan since the 1500s, is actually discovered to be some Korean peasant's bowl stolen by Japanese slavers. Then they weren't satisfied with that and kidnapped 1000s of potters and technicians to develop Japan's backwards industry and culture in the 1590s invasions of Korea. The Shim SuGwan (Chin Jukan)s are 15 generations of the best potters in Japan who retain their Korean identity to this day and hold annual Korean ceremonies and such. Then of course they stamp their seal on it and sell it overseas as their achievements, which is like if someone came and kidnapped 1000s of bright minds in the Silicon Valley and made them work for them and announce to the world their country is full of geniuses. Japan was forever the backwards island of genocidal samurais killing the Ezo, Hayato, Kumaso, the original native Japanese to extinction without even any native reservations and the Ainu and Ryukyuan and Nivkh and Oroks have fled off of Japanese mainland entirely, and desperate for cultural advances from the continent (even the Tokugawa Shogunate begging Korea for scholars and artisans to educate them and had huge parades going through Japan whenever they came) and had a deep seated inferiority complex which is why they were so violent and arrogant. In 2012 and 2014, some Koreans forcibly repatriated 2 buddhist statues, just 2 of 60,000 Korean treasures still kept stolen by Japanese pirates in the 1600s and put in display/temples, and were called thieves by the Japanese when they were the ones who stole it for centuries. And even said this "theft" is why they can't return the remaining 60,000 to Korea. Well if they were going to return it, they would have done so centuries ago, and should not have even stolen it in the first place. This is like calling the police the "thieves" when he was just apprehending the real thief and forcibly returning his loot to the rightful owners.

    • @Jalashuk Inc I never said "western" museums. I said museums. If a tribe has a building that can properly maintain the artifacts and is free from political strife then sure. But giving artifacts to individuals is just turning history into a dinner table story and an eventual episode of "antiques roadshow", if it survives at all. The Benin bronzes are in the process of getting returned once museums are built to house them, but the fact that they were spoils of war kind of just adds to my point. The British museum saved the artifacts, not from Nigeria, but from the British soldiers who took them. Because, as I said above, individuals suck at caring for history.

  • "we absolutly cannot give those priceless artifacts away to a museum in less developed country, we have no way of knowing f they will take good care of them. Anyways, we are selling those stolen artifacts, biding open to anyone willing to pay upwards of 3 millions"

  • Oliver, the British accused my Greek Government for the fact we don't have a proper museum. Now that we build the most amazing and modern one, they invented an other excuse. You should refer to Caryatids. 3 out of 4 are in Greek Meuseum and the 4th is missing. They arranged the Caryatids in such a marvelous way in order to point out, to make clear the missing one. At the very least, they British Meuseum made a lot of money. They could compensate Greece at least. Keep them but 1/3 of the earning should be going to Greece. Greece were paying the British for the loan we took for our war of independence against Ottoman Empire for over 100 years. Lately we finished repaying. Now it's your turn some of the earning to be coming back.

  • Honest question: Are there in some cases valid concerns about whether the home country will preserve them properly?

  • Okay, I'm middle eastern. My ethnic heritage is Assyrian includes very important antiquities held by British and French museums. Almost all if not most of our artifacts would be lost forever to looters, including stolen pieces from Hobby Lobby. It also includes Muslim raiders who think our artifacts represent heretical motifs and blow them up. I am very grateful that most of our stuff is there being protected and interpreted. At least if they stole them, Europeans did not destroy them. This is the first time I disagree with Oliver. You have to protect them otherwise what's the point of getting them back. I hope they keep them.

  • From the british perspective, and those of other countries with stolen artifacts, the way forward ought to be fairly simple. Create replicas of each artifact to keep in your own museum, and return the originals to the countries they were stolen from.

    • @hedgehog3180 well why didn't you say we could shake our fist at the US while we're wiping out Mesopotamian culture? That's absolutely worth it.

    • @CorporateG0th Most Iraqi artifacts were actually lost during the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, when the Iraqi national museum was looted, they have a list of 70k artifacts they're still missing from the invasion. A lot of those were looted by American soldiers. And oh yeah ISIS literally only exists because of the US, it was only able to form because the US left Iraq destroyed after the war and then stole all of the oil so there was no viable way to rebuild the country and it was initially formed as an offshoot of Al-Queda, the group that only exists because the CIA literally funded them. You can say that the US invasion was justified to remove a dictator, but that just begs the question of why didn't the US do anything to assist the large scale democratic revolts that sprung up during operation Desert Storm and only decided to depose Sadam after those groups had been crushed. And why the US supported Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Man it's really quite convenient how we can't return artifacts to their rightful owners because we keep invading them and destroying their country.

    • Realistically, this is not going to happen. Much of the tourism appeal in Europe is built around visiting these museums and their displayed collections...But yes, making replicas and returning the originals to where they belong is a moral thing to do.

    • There is no case by case. Demeaning these, “objects” by calling them artifacts is extremely white of us. These objects are not ours to name, take, or define.

    • Absolutely! Great idea. One caveat: the country that exists today in the location where the artifacts were found should be stable, ethical, and capable of protecting and displaying the artifacts. Might I suggest that the British Museum, at its own expense, build, staff, and finance annexes in the relevant countries. It’s the least they can do.

  • Your show is priceless.Thanks John

  • I love art, and i collect it, and because i know many such stories, i buy from living artists. Modern and contemporary art. In most cases i personally met the artist, in many cases i have seen them work and personally handed them the money. In all cases i know the artist did not suffer from instances of theft or anything like that. Provinence is often me and the artist, or me, the artist, and a gallery that works closely with the artist, so closely that he or she is present. And doing fine, and being alive. Feels odd to have to add this, but with the skull or a limb in a box the artist is also present. Thanks John Oliver for having me point out that when i say the artist is present when i first see and later buy an artwork, the artist is present does not mean a skull in a box.

  • Just saw the US returned some Benin Bronzes to Nigeria. Willing to bet this episode played a part in that. I can't even imagine the work that goes into making this show every week but I can damn sure appreciate it.

  • Technically something is "lost" when it is either or both: - no longer in one's own possession (this criterion is sometimes insufficient by itself) - one has not or cannot determine the current location of the item (this criterion is sufficient by itself) Thus this also covers items that are stolen (forcibly, such as in pillaging or robbery, or through burglary, aka "stealth thievery")... even if you know who stole it.

  • I used to work for the natural science museum in Houston and they did go through their exhibits and their archives and return Native American artifacts to the various nations they belonged to. Then they worked with native artists and commissioned replicas for display. I don't know why other museums can't do something similar.

    • @Tepid Ceranda You literally made your argument on a "might makes right" basis so you should not care about threats of violence since that's literally what you yourself said should decide the world. You have yourself said that use of force, and therefore threats of it, are completely legitimate. It's hilarious how quickly you turn out to be a hypocrite once you might end up experiencing the consequences of your own world view.

    • @Zwenk Wiel What the fuck are you talking about? A state can own thing, do you not understand how ownership works or something? You just give it to the state and then they own it.

    • @Tepid Ceranda So we should reward the people whose ancestors stole them? I guess if I steal your belongings and kill you then your family has no right to get those items back or any kind of compensation because we can't return it to the literal person who owned them? Even though in most cases these items weren't even owned by a single person but were owned by the state or some other collective entity, thus obviously conferring ownership onto the legal entity which followed it.

    • @Zwenk Wiel hi

    • Who do you even give it to though? Like how do you give something to a nation? The chief or something just gets it? 🤔 Could imagine multiple people or organizations laying claim on the same item

  • Man I just started working in a museum and I have to say that a lot of the stuff in this piece is 100% accurate. I’ve seen a lot of museums with a huge section that is just storage for artifacts. that are never shown to like anyone that had been there so long, ware I’ve seen where there’s dust and The sharpie would just say placed in like 90s or 80s something like that and it always annoy the hell out of me because it’s like why no one sees them just give them back.

    • @Alfar 2908 1 that's actually more typical than not, especially for larger museums. Often, larger institutions are assumed to have better ability to preserve donations. preservation can be prohibitively expensive for smaller museums, despite a better ability, and willingness to display such works. museum culture frowns upon "deaccessorizing" (reducing) their collections, and may even be banned from accquiring more pieces if they sell part of their collection. This is probably a more widespread problem than we realize: some museum collections are so large it takes literal years to properly catalogue their inventory. In the case of theft from storage, they may not realize a piece is missing for decades after the fact. It raises questions on what is actually the purpose of museums if it isn't to protect a piece for the future, and a significant portion is never displayed to the future, nor studied. . In some cases, they simply accept a collection they don't want out of fear of not getting a collection they do want. i volunteered in the archives dept of a museum, and they had entire rooms full of photography that nobody had seen for decades, per the assension files. some from the 1920s. Perhaps we should revise the culture of selling unviewed collections? i dunno.

    • @Kyle Kataryn I was talking about how meny of the artifacts. (at least at the place I work for) Never moved them from shelves I see rows of stuff that’s never been touched by anyone since they where placed there.

    • part of the museum's job is storage and preservation. It's why they rotate out exhibits. Another part is the study, catalogue, and documentation of artifacts. what should happen: museums agree to an international lending agreement with explicit acknowledgement of which country owns what. The artifacts will make a tour on a rotating basis, starting and ending in the originating nation.

  • Whenever I learn about things like this, I think about how right-wingers call themselves "redpilled" which is supposed to mean awakening to the reality of what the world is really like, but when they use it, it really just means that nothing is wrong with anything and that their racist grandparents were right about everything all along.

  • Love you John! Everyone at LWT needs a raise. Please keep it coming.

  • As a Greek I feel very offended by the argument of the British govermemt of not being able to maintain my Ancient Heritage in my Home Country. Shame on you for that GB

  • Just a friendly reminder that there are opposing view points from these segments that are equally valid. This show is very good at presenting their point of view in a very compelling way but simultaneously fails to give the opposing side any real attention. I know that he often mentions opposing arguments but when he dose those arguments are cherry picked to be the least compelling once and the segments are presented in such a way for viewers to immediately dismiss them. In this case I think that there are good arguments for both sides. On one hand it is sad that some countries do not get to own all of their own heritage. But on the other hand we cannot turn back the clock on what happened over a 100 years ago. The people that stole the artifacts are long dead and the artifacts have since been bought and sold many times. Their current owners has acquired the items in legitimate ways and should not have to be punished when they have done nothing wrong. And arguably you cannot legally claim that something has been stolen by a dead person a 100 years ago on behalf of your dead ancestors specially since the laws and customs of those times where completely different from today.

  • Thank you, John Oliver (HBO) for this greatest informative piece of all time.

  • Keep up the great work Mr Oliver. There seem to be few methods of countering the ghastly propaganda of the right other than derision. You are doing that extremely well and should be applauded for your efforts

  • "What's something you thought was British, but isn't?" "The contents of the British Museum."

  • My favorite thing I think I've ever seen in a museum is a totem pole carved by a local tribal artist. The museum used to have a looted totem pole, but they gave it back to the tribe and instead commissioned a new pole to be displayed in a section dedicated to the tribe's history and current goings-on.

    • @Wolf Titan Reading Are you stupid? Genuine question.

    • @egg tarts jokes on you statue of limitation has expired

    • Now you know how valuable history is and why the people who own said history really want it back. Me? I'd rather have a ten-day-old thank you note than a century-old arrest warrant for burglary.

    • @Wolf Titan Reading Well then go see the original. If the rightful owners want to display it there's nothing wrong with that, but you can't just demand to see something someone else owns and you sure as hell can not justify theft because you're upset you can't see the original art in your countries museum anymore. They will have lots of art to display even if they give everything that was stolen back (which they absolutely should btw) and then you can go look at original art whose native population wasn't slaughtered to obtain it. In the case of this tribes totem pole: the historic value you mention is exactly why the tribe deserves its property back. It's not just some history, it's their history. They deserve to take care of their heritage themselves, they deserve to dictate what's done with it and display it with pride. The museum that displayed it before had no ownership rights and instead of displaying this grievous symbol of injustice, they can now show the craftsmanship of the native american people and their history in a way that is not only educational but also does right by the real people whose history its displaying. History is not just for your entertainment, it's the story of living human beings with hopes and dreams, hopes that were often crushed as their belongings were taken and their loved ones cruelly slaughtered. You don't get to overrule their desires for your entertainment. The will of the dead matters. If you did not believe so you would not believe in inheritance or proper burial at all. If someone displayed your Mom in a museum after she died would you really be ok with it? Knowing she vehemently was against it and wanted to be buried in accordance with her culture? Eventhough she despised the people who took her body and put it on display, you wouldn't want it back? Really?

    • @Amara McDonough except as i explain that peice has no story none thats interesting all it will say is some kid made me and sent me to this place. Nothing worthwhile about me.A new object will never have the Value of an artifact. Especially since it shows that they can make a new one let this one live here where people can enjoy it. Im investee in thr actual item with actual history not something made on the weakend as a trade

  • Kumail absolutely nailed it - as usual!! 😂😂

  • Well, the easy answer here is to give the stuff back to their rightful owners and then have artists (preferably native) do recreations of the repatriated stuff to then display in the museums. Let's be honest, 99.99999% of museum-goers won't be able to tell the difference. But the real issue here, that is never said aloud by the museums, is money. The real, legitimate stuff is worth oodles of moolah. Institutions like the British Museum are defending their assets. If they give away the Benin bronzes to Nigeria and the Elgin marbles to Greece, it means the museum loses almost $1 billion in assets it could sell off sometime in the future. It does NOT want to do that. So it holds onto this stuff for as long as possible. It's all about the benjamins, once again.

  • I salute you Oliver to boldly voice out this perpetual preposterous and ludicrous denials from British museum to return those artifacts to where they belong. The British empire is long dusted in our bygone history so what is the right for them to not releasing the national treasures back to their native countries!

  • the biggest Irony about this is that for 100's of years (& maybe still) the UK did not look after any of its own art... yes Stonehenge, the Tower of London, Westminster Abbey but the 1000's of old churches, 1000's of Victorian buildings, 1000's of cottages, 1000's of local museums, schools and libraries... destroyed, neglected, abused

  • love the idea of a Payback Museum

  • I love museums and seeing all sorts of different cultures in one place, there is zero excuse to not give back antiquities that are requested back. Just fecking give them back and put up your british art like uhh idk a Margaret thatcher statue covered in egg yolk.

  • What I would love is a PG version of this episode. I would love to use this with my Middle School Students for our Social Justice discussions!