Responding to Seagull's State of Overwatch 2

Dipublikasikan tanggal 29 Nov 2022

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  • "As a player all these options are garbage" Seagull 2022...hit the nail on the head

    • He really did. We may understand that from their view its a business. But from our view the end result isn't good.

  • Seagull's analysis was 100% on the mark. I'm not sure what there's to be excited about by OW2 on launch. I hope it heads in the right direction but endless optimism is blind and unfounded.

    • @John's Universe if you don't have the dps to back you up... Yeah it is

    • @Bat Mantis thats not true at all

    • I mean I get the struggle of making all characters skill trees, but why not just start smaller like 16. Some heroes might not even work in the pve environment anyway.

    • @JOHNizSiK Thank you!!!! And the tank role, give me a break! You have to play the exact tank on the exact map, or your just screwed.

    • @Rytoryk agreed. But worse, most of these criticisms only discuss the larger obvious things. 5v5, focus on all the wrong things, etc. the game itself just feels bad. I can’t put a finger on it. It isn’t that it’s just different. It feels generic and a lot of hero’s feel like throw away picks now, regardless of the skill tier you’re in.

  • The game isn't a disappointment to me but the monetization of this game absolutely is

  • You’re endless optimism is inspiring, but when we’re talking about Blizzard I think it’s fair for people to assume the worst. I like Overwatch, it’s characters, it’s gameplay, everything about it, but it doesn’t exist in a vacuum. At the end of the day people are going to remember the broken promises, half bake excuses, and disappointing results. I fear Overwatch is a tainted game no matter how the release turns out, but maybe we’ll see a light at the end of the tunnel.

    • It's really easy too! Just add the freaking upgrade abilities to the pvp Remove the dam scoreboard it makes me very upset seeing that they have the audacity to finally add it now and call it a feature and replace it with a upgrade tree

    • His whole channel is called overwatch, the guy leave on this game so

    • It's not optimism. He wants his channel to keep going which won't happen if the game dies. He needs to head to the job center and start looking for a new career.

  • Blizzard did a good job with their PR team, got a whole ID-tv channel out of it

    • @Vanic ULUKUK yeah it’s sad, I covered a little of my thoughts on this channel in my Overwatch 2 Review video

    • You know what, after watch resent video on this channel, I agreed even more

    • MY FIRST COMMENT TO GET OVER 100 LIKES But yeah this channel is basically overwatch PR

  • They really need to box the campaign (and at very least the base of the hero missions) as its own game, because if they release it episodically with each season its REALLY going to suck.

    • I dont understand why they couldn't do a halo infinite the multiplayer was free but the campaign is a paid product but that news clearly didn't sink in with blizzard

    • Dude...that was literally the original plan??? Do the research before you talk out of your ass

    • @McLovin You couldn't have said it better, they changed the roadmap for OW2 to be PvP focused instead of PvE and so now we're just getting OW1.5 instead. Its just a bit frustrating to see the development of the game get changed halfway through and they have to switch tracks leaving half the content unfinished and slapping the "early-access" title on it

    • This was the entire point of OW2 from the beginning. It was going to be primarily the PvE but they realized that they left OW1 abandoned for too long and finally decided to change the release to PvP and slap the PvE on it as a "bonus". That's why this project was so large and left OW1 with nearly 0 content for 2+ years, and I think that's what everyone is forgetting

    • @Nick Ziegler so no one is aloud to play the game or like it have you even played the game? Don't talk crap when you never played it XD

  • i think you misundersttod some of it, its because of the first announcemnt that expectaions were high, not low, if you watch him you know how excited he was after trying the first pve map they had, and i understand were seagull sadness for the game comes, his are more open heart letters to a game he loves.

    • The PvE is delayed and not at all canceled

  • One thing about if there is a new Junkenstien event. They need to show a light version of the PVE that they have been working on. Just to give us some confidence in this new model.

    • Junkenstien was always trash

    • @First Last I don't expect this. Last time Junkenstien was 'updated' all that was added was endless mode and more characters really.

    • You want blizzard to "give us confidence" you must be new here. Truly give hope hope immediately

    • @J The one teaser image they showed on the blog post didn't look like that at all.

    • @Bastian Krüger that sounds cool

  • I'm most excited about the pve. Somewhat disappointed it's not coming with launch, but I'd rather they do the staggered roll out. No need to wait, it's been too long without any updates. I just really hope pve really is coming still, and it's as in depth as they say. They don't need to make skill trees for all heros. They can roll out with a handful and add more each season

    • I'm just about all out of hope for Blizzard to fulfill their promises here.

    • If it comes :)

    • @jake rouy If it was like archives, yeah. But the way they were describing it was like a full fledged campaign mode with skill trees and a lot of repayability. Blizzard knows how to make replayable pve content, so I doubt they'd put all this time into just a few hours worth of content

    • 2 hours of fun every 3 months? yay

  • I feel like you're blinded by your desire to see OW be loved again that in your recent videos you feel the urge to respond to everyone critiquing OW2. I understand it's your bread and butter but I have to agree with them. OW2 is not it dude. Atleast not yet. Hope you come through.

    • Didn't realize before I read this comment. I personally is not excited for pve as I was never interested in that way of playing. But now I realize that the promis form blizzard was only half fulfilled.. it genuinely sucks for the peeps out there who want overwatch lore content and pve experience

  • Seagull really does have a way of presenting himself in a way that resonates. But my concern is exactly what you are both saying about the PvE. It's really hard to go all in on a game that you have to play in parts. I just... really want it to be enough, when it does finally arrive.

  • Man, this may not have aged well given the current circumstances.. Nor will it age any better.

  • I imagine they would release small packs of heroes that you can play in the pve rather than all of them at once. Alongside new pve maps and maybe some raid like content pve could actually be pretty dang cool

    • I would love raids tbh

    • @Jim D-S 100$?!? OW never costed 100$ it costed 60 to release and afterwards 40. If OW2 runs for atleast 5 years thats gonna cost 200$(=5*(10 * (12/3)). Btw 10 bucks every 3 months is 40,a year has 12 months not 9. Your argument with Paladins is a good one. Because no one gives 2 shits about paladins. The game is dead, has no real esport scene and is a laughing joke compared to Overwatch. R6 is a good example too, wanna know why? Every gun in that game can oneshot headshot. It doesn't matter which character you wanna play with aslong as you are a decent player you can still participate in the game. Have fun in Overwatch when new heroe x is meta and you're fucked until they get patched or until you have unlocked it. Plus in R6 you get the rewards anyhow. It's not bound to reach level 55 in the battle pass or having to grind through stupid unlocks. You can play normally and will unlock the character anyhow through the season or the next one without changing your gameplay. Counterargument: How come Dota 2, CSGO, Quake, Valorant, TF2 and Halo have no problem beeing huge (in esport) without locked away guns/characters? Cause it would ruin the game for anyone who doesn't love paying for something that should be in the game anyhow. You people wouldn't even care if Blizzard wanted to charge 50 bucks per heroe and prolly still defend that bullshit which is undefendable.

    • @Bacon its 10 bucks every 3 months* and that makes 30 bucks in a year. Compared to 100$ for the game. Just so you know games you pay 100$ nowadays do have BP so wheres the problem now. Seems like only the OW community is mad about heroes in BP. Like I already said Paladins have heroes locked behind credit and no one complains. You know why, cause the game is F***ing free, R6 as agent locked in BP and the game cost money + the BP cost money. Whats the big deal now? The community is killing the game not the devs.

    • @Kruzy R6 as champs locked behind battlepass, Paladin as payable heroes. Like what is the big deal, seems like I cant understand the disappointement the community feels. A game coming out free is totally reasonnable to have payed heroes. I dont mind it

    • @Kruzy sorry for getting emotional quickly, it is just one of my favorite hobbies and seeing this negative response from everyone makes me sad because ow probably wont get another chance to redeem itself. and all for what? doing what any other game does? thats just unacceptable to let go for me, so i try to let as many people as possible know that this system shouldnt drive you away

  • You said what we got is reasonable for the amount of time it's being developed. The amount of time this content and balance changes has been developed is unacceptable on it's own. 1 year for making a game really is too little. They should've at least taken an another year to develop this game and get even more content out to justify launching it.

  • I’m excited I love the changes to the heroes and how it has made them more viable and can actually play your favourite hero and not have to switch to a hard counter. I stopped two years ago because of it and sold ow1 a little while before they shut it down.

  • Hard to form an opinion before I have played the full game, but I feel that the changes to pvp and the coming updates are enough. I think that they should drop the entire pve experience once it is finished and to not stagger to out across competitive seasons.

  • I was skeptical for OW2 when the betas were coming out, but got a chance to be in the 2nd beta and I really enjoyed it. I have been playing OW regularly since season 2, and the Beta felt like a refined version of OW1, overall liked it quite a bit and I am looking forward to Oct 4th.

    • Well it's out now

  • This much more consistent plan for content and updates is what overwatch really needed

  • I feel like PVE needs to have a much reduced hero selection and maybe add a new hero each season but the PVE hero additions will be established characters in the PVP side. Keeping them in sync seems like it would make it entirely too crazy to develop heroes.

  • One of my favorite games of all time is getting a mostly needed rework, changes focused to attract more players and new content. Why would I be disappointed? Monetization from F2P games that doesn't shoot themselves in the foot are always optional for people engaged enough with the product, so, that's not an issue for me. Regarding PVE, to be honest, we had a glimpse of them in every OW1 event, and, while funny, they can become tiring after a short while.

  • Im happy we are getting some overwatch content, its been one of my favorite games for years and when this one comes out i will play again easily. Kind of sad that the pve wont be for atleast a few months but im ready to play that when it comes.

  • I fell in love with Overwatch before it was released. The moment I saw the first alpha footage, I somehow knew it was something I had been waiting to play for years and I drove all my friends crazy trying to show them videos of it and never shutting up. I played practically every day from beta for the next three or four years. Long after just about all of those friends quit, I still play from time to time, but not very much. It's the first game that ever got me to seriously consider trying to go pro. Starting to put in that effort. Ultimately, I couldn't find the room in my life to make that happen, but it wasn't a terrible experience. I learned a lot. At this point, I'm really sad about what happened to the game. Because, as much a part of my childhood as some other games were, the release of Overwatch in my early adulthood is the most in love with a game I think I have ever been. I want to get excited for Overwatch 2, but I was extremely hyped when they first released the trailer and it's been nothing but trouble since then. I've been near-completely avoiding news of the game for several months. Honestly, I think I've been avoiding Blizzard news in general since their recent controversies, that I still haven't had the heart to read up on. Now the game is finally out and I am not hearing a multitude of good things in the immediate hereafter. Of course, that could just be a symptom of the fact that people love to complain. However, hearing about the fact that they've added battle passes and heroes will apparently no longer be free and skins will be locked behind paywalls and people saying that it feels like a call of duty shooter. I'm very apprehensive. I only hope that it can maybe bring back a little bit of my love for the game the way it apparently did for you. I'm sure some people will see this as melodrama and want to remind me that it's just a game, but Overwatch was never just a game for me. Overwatch was a life-changing experience. I'm truly afraid that Overwatch 2 will be nothing but a let down.

  • I really hope the PvE stuff comes out in a solid package next year and is good.

  • I took a 2 year break from overwatch and recently started playing it again last week. Surprisingly against what I thought, I had fun. It made me want to try overwatch 2 will little expectation and I'm rather excited. Never once did I care about what others think or say, just try it to see what you could think about a game. Moral of this story from a casual point of view? If it's fun, have fun.

    • Same I used to play this game pretty competitively 2016-2018. Took a long break, tried OW 2 and am loving it it’s like I’m playing OW 1 again it’s great

  • I've been playing since launch week for ow1. I think the game has made huge strides since launch. I think role queue had a larger impact on the game than this move to 5v5. In general overwatch 2 as it stands is such a tiny amount of content after such a long drought that I can't not be disappointed. This when compounded with some of the fundamental monetization changes that I think are largely negative for competitive integrity, means I don't think overwatch 2 is a good proposition for brand new players or ones that have lapsed due to a lack of content. I think both of those audiences are likely to bounce off in relatively short order in fairly high percentages.

  • I remember picking up and playing battleborne for the first year or two of that games lifetime and I loved it. I hope that the PVE replayable (bc battleborne wasnt that replayable) and has as much unique charm, objectives and thoroughness as Battleborn did (for its first year or 2.. it fell off pretty hard)

  • The betas gave me a glimpse at what is coming tomorrow. I am a fan, and looking forward to the changes. I'm not super excited about a battlepass, and even with the paid route, there's a definite FOMO if I don't grind it. If I don't pay for future battle passes, missing out on unlocking characters is a definite concern. We haven't been told yet what will be required in the future to unlock prior heroes.

    • you dont miss out on characters in anyways

    • It's like valorant you complete a set of challenges to unlock them.

    • You don't miss out on unlocking characters though. Even after the battlepass ends, if you haven't unlocked a hero, there'll be challenges for them which you can complete to unlock them. You'll never miss out on a hero.

    • i mean, you dont have to pay for the battle pass to unlock the hero if you play semi-regularly. if you don't then theres probably not much of an issue to you not having the full roster. if it's similar to fortnite (which the structure of the BP is, so i assume the rate at which you unlock things will be as well given the fact that they have someone on the team who helped develop fortnite's BP) it will probably take around 10-20 hours to unlock the hero at level 55. you have nine weeks to do so. i think that's more than fair, and anyone who isn't invested enough in the game to play 20 hours during a season with a new hero unlock, like i said, probably doesn't need the full roster to enjoy the game anyway.

    • They actually did say that you can use in game currency OR unlock them through a character specific challenge from what I remember. I might be wrong about the challenge but I'm positive that they did say something recently when they announced the characters in BPs.

  • I hope their pve sets out to a similarity of destiny to an extent. For example raid bosses could be incredibly cool if they have sort of a similar design to that game with mechanics having to use the tanks to defend the team against the raid bosses whilst the healers are making sure dps and tank stays alive and that the dps are maybe completing objective like shooting different weak points of a boss to make the boss vulnerable they could really take this system all out if they do it correctly and then people could figure out optimal ways using all the heroes to figure out how to beat the boss in the best or whackiest ways will have to see what they come up with but I feel something like this would have the community engaged a lot more

  • I can't wait for tomorrow when we can actually talk about the gameplay for once. We seem to NEVER be satisfied as a community. We're mad about the battle pass, the monetization model, the FTUE, and now we're mad that the PVE will be rolled out over time instead of getting it all at once? What a blessing it is to be mad over something that we've sacrificed NOTHING for.

  • What is missing in general right now for almost all Blizzard IPs (D4 is doing fine for a while now) across the board is regular communication. WoW has gotten a bit better over the last year but what OW2 PvE needs right now is a reliable statement regarding it's development status and release. Regular updates regarding scope and features (only vague hints in the 2021 blizzconline footage) similar to the D4 quarterly updates.

    • Hearthstone doing p well too honestly

    • 100% this

  • Here's how I think the campaign will work. Each season we get a chapter where we get maybe 9 missions per season. And hero missions you can just do whenever

  • Im excited for overwatch 2 and I was surprised when i saw seagull's video. Cant wait but I really hope its not too terrible. the beta was fun but I cant help but hold my breath

  • I’m currently looking forward to pvp right now, the new heroes, and competitive 2.0. But I assume, in a couple months I will start to get bored and will be wanting to play the Story Mode PvE ASAP!

  • After playing the beta I’ve been counting down the days to play OW2 again. No company is perfect but in my eyes they’re making a lot of great decisions. A PvP game prioritizing PvP content shouldn’t surprise anyone. It was the right decision. Moving to F2P with optional battle pass ensures longevity of the game. It was the right decision. I could care less about the cosmetics but I’ll gladly give them my money just to support the game. You can’t pay for a single movie ticket and expect the theatre to let you into any movie you want all year long. New content costs money to create and in turn should cost money to consume. The same is true in every area of the entertainment industry. Blizzard is not a charity, it’s a business filled with real people making tough decisions and working hard to create a great product. In my eyes they’ve succeeded.

  • It just comes down to the fact that the base of ow is so good that i think as long as we get some content and a promise for updates its enough for ow players

  • I 100% believe in the previous vision, so I’m a little bummed with this roll out. But I’m also SO incredibly excited and optimistic for the future!

  • I'm happy with the gameplay I've experienced in the beta and what I've seen reported so far. What seagull discussed makes perfect sense tbh, tho i just don't feel disappointed yet. Perhaps my bar is much much lower than others in that case

  • I’m fine with everything, in those three years of waiting there still haven’t been any other good FPS games so I’m just happy to have more OW content

  • Man I am sooooo excited for OW2. 5v5 is gonna be great and the new model brings content. I think everyone can enjoy OW2 you just gotta let yourself enjoy it. I know as Overwatch players we don’t usually do anything fun or for enjoyment, but I think the game is better designed for that now. I hope we can all be happy we are getting more OW :)

  • What I'm most excited about for OW2 is trying out heroes I never played in OW1. I feel it's a good time for a fresh start. The week before OW1 shut down I played more Baptiste in that week than since he launched into the game. Same with 76. I'm using this new launch of OW2 as a time to get good with characters I never tried my hands at purely because I was always afraid of someone checking out my stats and saying "oh, this guy has 10mins on X character, GG".

  • I played overwatch 2 in beta and it felt like the soul of the game was gone all the hype for ow2 has died for me and I don’t think It’s for me but occasionally hope on streams to see if the game has improved and maybe come back one day.

  • Well, Mister Frito Lays™ you've done it again. I was (and still am) extremely nervous about the future of overwatch. But you guys always seem to have a way of reassuring me that everything will be okay

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  • When they switched from focusing on PvE to PvP, they shouldn't have marketed this as Overwatch 2. Call it what it is: *Overwatch 1.5* a half-step toward Overwatch 2, but we're not there yet. The REAL Overwatch 2, the TRUE sequel, will come when we get the PvE half of the game.

  • I agreed with pretty much everything that Seag said in his video. I'm ultra competitive, but I also was MUCH more hyped about the PvE than I was about the PvP. I'm really hoping that Blizzard delivers on what we were promised, no matter how lofty those expectations may be at this point. HOWEVER, I gotta say that I agree with Freedo as well. Honestly, I can't remember how long it's been since I agreed with Freedo this much in consecutive videos, yet here we are. I feel what he's talking about & I think OW2 PvP is potentially going to pop off once again. If the PvE hits, then we may even reach heights that OW1 didn't even get to. But, that's too far off to know. I'm looking forward to what's next & I'm thankful that the franchise that we all love is finally getting the care that it's needed for so many years now. See you guys in OW2!

  • As much as I'm excited to play, I wish they'd hold the official release (with more frequent betas) until the PvE is ready. I just feel like no matter how good 2 may be, it wont be enough to bring OW back to the top. I think new players who are experiencing something similar to what we did on 1s release will be hooked, but a lot of og players will be put off. Also, the new PvP is not revolutionary enough for reviewers to get hooked. There is no world where critic reviews stand up to the praise of the original. Unless the PvE experiencing is mind blowing, I see the media coverage saying "more of the same" when PvP releases, then when PvE releases it'll be framed as a "last ditch effort" to save a dying franchise. I really hope I'm wrong because this franchise holds a special place in my heart. Overwatch was a phenomenon, but Blizz ain't the same Blizz and good will and hope can only carry them so far. Just my 2 cents.

  • I recall playing the hell out of the beta months ago and I thoroughly enjoyed. I'm just sad that they benched the PVE content but I think it's a smart move. Seems to me that they wish to focus on and make the PVP aspect as fun as possible. Were they to try and divide their focus on PVP and PVE, that could be disastrous. It's obviously too early to tell if the PVP is overall any good but I remain optimistic. Hopefully when they release the PVE stuff, it will have been worth the wait.

  • To keep it brief: The game is incomplete and clunky. Blizzard is straight up scummy and out of touch.

  • Unfortunately for me, my big thing has been looking forward to the PvE as I enjoy the PvP but the friends I game with really dont but would play the PvE. So...yeah concerned and disappointed is an understatement. I do hope they will stick the landing as you put it though.

  • It is a shame we lacked any content for 3 years but I’m excited for this new seasonal model

    • @Something Diabolical This. Blizzard is fucking cringe.

    • It's just a way to charge you 20 dollars for a skin instead of you opening a box and getting it randomly.

  • All I ever wanted were easier Dragonblades with less stuns. And where I’m not getting it with ai bots in the PvE I’m now going to be getting in a rebalanced PvP! So honestly a win-win for me.

  • One of my favorite things is when content creators I like mention other content creators I like💖 love the Skill up mention!

  • playing this game feels like answering a late night text from your ex 🙃

  • I have a lot of trust in Team 4, my main concern has always been the corporate side of Overwatch and trying to put a square peg in a round hole because "that's how all the other fps games work". I liked the boxed game approach, even though removing all support for PvP was a terrible idea, and I can't help but feel like going free to play will end up hurting the PvE side and possibly the game as a whole, because the game can't thrive on PvP players alone.

  • I love the f2p model it’s my favorite thing I love unlocking characters that should be available free to all at launch I love battle passes in all the games I play my favorite thing is pledging allegiance to every game I play for FOMO so I have no time to actually enjoy the game I love being promised content then after the devs bite off more than they can chew so instead of a delay we get less content for a shit game just so that the company can make more money before the holidays start so all the kids can fork over Christmas money to play the game or buy skins blizzard is a joke this “game” is a joke

  • I have played Overawtch from the start, I honestly feel the game is never going to reach the same level of success as it once had. They made to many mistakes which was compounded by expectations that were set that later were scrapped. It may have a bit of a resurgence, however, I feel that spike will drop dramatically in a couple of weeks.

  • The best we can hope for is that maybe they've learned their lesson with the first Overwatch, and try and prevent Overwatch 2 from going into decline like the first game did. But Blizzard over the years have made me cautious about anything they've put out since Diablo 3.

  • I don't think at should expect a campaign to be going on forever and supported by updates. If they just make a really good campaign, ill be happy with that, and enjoy it alongside the pvp that is continuously supported (hopefully).

    • I think what they intend to do is make expansions on the campaign, to keep pushing the story forward. There's a lot in the world of Overwatch that has barely been talked about. That, or they release the campaign episodically which would ruin any potential hype it could have had.

  • When OW2 was announced the pve was the main draw for me. ive played for over a thousand hours and pve was the one thing ive always wanted. i got scared when i realized they havent mention the pve aspect in years. i just hope they do still do it even if it is a year or more from now ... i'll wait

    • They never said it was canceled, it will come out in 2023.

  • The way I see it, OW1 had two problems. Content, or more specifically the lack of it, was certainly one. But the larger issue was the blatant balance issues. They clearly showed a bias for certain heroes (like the ones the announcers in OWL like to talk up) and as a result made those heroes OP and trashed any who limited that. And they left clear imbalances for FAR to long. To me that is way more egregious. And that is what at times makes me just step away from the game. In OW2, the content drought seems to be being fixed. So, there is a level of excitement for that. But the balance issues are still there, and in some ways even more apparent that they are intentionally making certain heroes imbalanced. If they cannot reign in those biases and not keep the same heroes OP year after year as they have, I think in the long term OW2 just wont do all that well. Which leaves me worried, and tamps down the excitement for the new content.

  • You guys should look at the game Battleborn. It was released the same day as Overwatch. They had the PVE and campaign down and PVP was fun. But my favorite part was the skill trees they had. Extremely complex and it looks similar to what the Bliz devs are trying to do now.

    • Plus Blizzard decided to have a free yo play weekend the week it came out. Really wanted to bury the competition.

    • If they just fucking staggered the battle born launch until like a year after overwatch they would’ve been fine

    • too bad Gearbox couldn't compete with Blizz and they ended up shuttering the game

  • As a first year overwatch player I'm not looking forward to the overwatch 2. To unlocking characters and it being a free to play live service game I can see a lot off issue. Manly from other game free to play games. Possible pay to win may spawn, or lack of updates and new stuff. I feel like this is going to go down the road off halo infinite.

  • I just really hope they create a pve masterpiece, they can take their time for that. That will either completely build/destroy ow2s reputation

  • I enjoyed the beta so I hope it does well

  • I played the OW2 beta, and honestly, OW1 was nearly unplayable to me afterwards. Just breaking double shields all game and being chain stunned by Cassidy and Brig just isnt fun. The dynamic of the game changing, along side the three Hero drop, new maps, and new mode (for free btw) is great. And before people complain about the battlepass some more, you dont need to buy it to unlock the new heroes lol. You can tell the people who have never done a battlepass before.

    • I completely agree!!! :)

  • I feel like all these "it's not enough" takes are kind of out of reality. Yes, we would all prefer that Blizzard didn't mismanage OW1 for the last several years, but you can't undo that. What exactly do you think it would have been physically possible for the devs to do than release the OW2 that we are getting tomorrow?

  • I'd rather wait for the campaign than get it bit by bit. There have been to many games that had so much potential to be good but we're not due to underdevelopment. It would be a shame to see the Overwatch PvE to end up the same because they rushed it.

  • Man I don't care about the pve, I'm just glad we finally get the content that was held hostage

  • PvE has to be a banger, or the IP takes long-lasting damage. All the resources must have gone somewhere, and I hope the PvP can stand tall enough, to compete in the market if necessary. Which, atm, I honestly doubt, but I will be happy to be possibly corrected in the near future.

  • seagull was 100% right and this is still simping 🤷‍♂️

  • I loved the second beta. Win or lose I enjoyed the games so much more, had more fun on dps and tank than I had for years and went on crazy long win streaks that I’ve never been able to achieve. Not to mention lack of double shield and cc stun, I had a lot of fun. Can’t wait for the new comp. I think they’ve done a really good job with the new pvp

  • Here's what I hope with the campaign have a main story with multiple missions basically about overwatch being back and the drama of that happening like missions of how lucio got recruited, somthing with junk rat and roadhog junker queen and wrecking ball could be interesting, a late game talon raid of the overwatch HQ could be cool with one of the more on the fence heros showing up to save the day like Cas or solider The overwatch story can tell story's on the seasonal model we just need story's to follow started in the main campaign leave a few things open also I honestly feel a hero death would be shocking and somthing needed in the story since they have stated heros can die in lore but won't leave the game

  • I was there in the first few days of OW1 when seagull got into a game with Summit1G and repeatedly killed him over and over again, me & the rest of summits chat looked him up and he had barley any followers and that basically blew him up from there as summit was complimenting how good he was whilst also raging & he went from a couple hundred followers to nearly 20K just on that day

  • Im conflicted on this game. i'm honestly excited for it, but i'm also very skeptical about it so im witholding any judgement until i play the game personally. I feel a lot of Overwatch content creators are hyping this game way too much (naturally so), and are trying REALLY hard to convince people that it really is "the next big thing", but it doesn't seem unique enough from OW1 that it's going to pull me in enough to play it religiously the way i did with Overwatch 1 for the first 2 or 3 years. Regardless, we'll see tomorrow how it goes, and i HOPE it proves me wrong and takes me back to 2017

  • Overwtach 2s launch has been underwhelming and riddled with problems. I appreciate the optimism and I hope for good things moving forward. But this has been the worst game launch I’ve seen in a while

  • I just finished playing OverWatch too for the last 3 hours. The gameplay is fast and erratic. I'm sure that might get worked out but the 5v5 makes it less about team and more about just spamming the other side with violence it's kind of boring. The fact that I can't get whatever skin I want without having to pay for it even if I want to work hard at earning it is going to disincentivize me from playing this I will be honest. I'm the player who routinely got enough points saved up between seasonal events to cash them all in get the new skins and then play again until the next season of them I would fill in the queues I'm a routine player. I am not that interested now in dedicating my time to this game and I'll tell you the truth the fact that not a single skin I've previously purchased on my original account is available on my current account is the biggest reason I'm not going to spend any money on this game what are they going to do wait 6 years and just delete all the stuff I paid for. No thank you this is a hard pass I'm only going to play this Periodically to appease my kid.

  • I'm very excited! Pvp looks awesome and a seasonal model can work, it can be even better than Destiny, we dont know. Hard to assume anything rn we don't much how the pve will be released

  • I agree with both of you in a lot of ways. I just think that we all have brushed Covid under the rug like its impact on some of these studios was anything less than catastrophic. It's not just about the choices and paths originally set out (though that's part of it). I just believe that without covid we'd already be at least a year or two into this thing.

  • I have hope for ov2. Comparing it to other games right now it's very good. While the 3 years it took to add all of these features was kinda ass it's still a better game then everything else

  • Script written, video recorded, edited, uploaded in 10 hours well done lmao

  • If OW1 had it's normal way of releasing heroes, by now we would have gotten a lot more characters than just those 3. So yes... OW2, is a disappointment. But it's also better than nothing. OW1 was dead a long time ago. And it was completely Blizzard's fault. There is no denying that. Now I am hoping they turn it around with OW2. Although I doubt it. Gaming industry is in its worst state. These companies don't care about us. They care about money. So anything can happen.

  • If they want the PVE thing to work they are going to need Gear/Loot and the Gear has to change the way your character looks. I mean they already have TONs of skins. Just make all the different parts of the skins drops and the weapons on the skins do different things.

  • I think ow 2 will be one of those games that gets a boost of old and new players so it’s actually a semi alive game. Then in the next years while they add the pve and more heroes and maps the game will grow and become a big title again.

  • Of course your excited and happy with Overwatch, you wouldn’t have a channel without this game

  • The PVE is nice but the community as a whole really wanted like 4 things that were easy to accomplish and if they were having problems with it they could have just communicated 1. New heroes 2. New Maps 3. Responsive balance Updates 4. New events if they could not accomplish 4 then the least you can do is accomplish the first 3 so that we don’t really care about 4 or just communicate and say hey guys we need more time on this. When they first revealed OW2 I was excited for all the new PVP stuff a bunch of heroes (lol) maps, and new events (which is basically what PVE is glorified events that would have been awesome to get in OW1) but hey at least the game is finally gonna come out and hopefully they don’t drop the ball but to not have ANY PvE on launch is unacceptable

  • I badly need the PVE side of OW2 like I miss having campaign modes in games, especially with shooters, we have seen already rendered PVE side of the game with Blizzconline 2021, the fact that we will have in-game cinematics, dialogues and I bet telltale like story decisions like where you decide to go, who you decide to save, etc. Affects the progress of the story (Someone has told me this is not the case, but still I need that PVE to come thru). And hero missions as well will be such a great addition for playing with friends in a non-PVP setting.

    • @Fultonian Bruh, don't hope for an all expenses paid trip to Mars like that. Even if we get PVE, I'd bet my a** you're setting yourself up for disappointment hoping for an original Halo trilogy level of quality.

    • Same. The PVE was such a major deal for so many people and it's sad seeing fps campaigns being so commonly abandoned these days.

    • @Playerz714 what no, more better rendering, more angles, l'm not talking about the hero missions they showed, I am talking about the overwatch 2 story where they band up together across the world, you can see soujourn talking with rein, getting out of the athena ship. I can't wait for it

    • That stuff from 2021 legit looked like the same event stuff from OW1 if that is their so called "Campaign" reusing the same pvp maps that is terrible

    • @Fultonian yes we can dream and the overwatch team delivers with story filled heroes and it's just 5 hours left till OW2!

  • If the PvE is still going to be in a seperate AAA price (im thinking 40 or 60 USD?) then I expect a large amount of PvE content and story + cutscenes along with the PvE updating seasonally with new story and missions

  • I undestand Seagull's opinion, and I've been there a few times in the past. Before we got the betas for OW2, I mean when we were almost blind about the content of OW2 pvp, my biggest concern was: how the hell they will keep launching new heroes in a good pace (3 for year, as OW1 for example) when the pve launches?! The talent trees they showed us in the blizzcon line would made the process of creating and launching a new hero a job many times more difficult, since now it's not just a hero, a gun and abilities, but 50 talents as well. Seagull's video touches this, but now I undestand why we only have just 3 heroes in the launch of the pvp, because they really need to have a plan and some things piped down the line so they can keep the live service rolling without biting their asses as they develop the content. I'm pretty sure that they have content planned and done, just waiting so they can keep developing with some peace. I'm sad that the game is launching with only 3 heroes! But I know that this was the compromise they had to made so the live service plan can keep going for many years. Other thing, these live service games like League, Valorant, Apex, etc... the tipes of content they create to feed the live service model are pretty straightforward, new heroes/agents/champions, new maps, new cosmetics, new balance changes, some events. OW2 uses the same blueprint but they have the pve as something completly new, and we know this is not just a small thing, they've been working on the pve missions for some time now and if the plan is to release this stuff as some part of the live service model I honestly think it could bring and elevate OW to a new level as a live service game, something the competitors doesn't have. So, summing up... yes it is frustrating to wait 3 years without any significant content for the game and now after all this time receive something so small. But at the same time I'm pretty confident that this is for a good cause. Yes, it's not a ton of new things, but the things we are receiveng are super polished and with the heart and soul of something I only ever found in OW. And I know that there are only amazing things coming down the line! :D And honestly, if the live service model turn out to be as good as I imagine, I would like to congratulate Aaron and Team 4 for the decisions they made in the last year, it mustn't been easy to steir this wrecking ship back.

  • Considering the flaming loops the team had to jump through with the previous blizzards dev over their should, they have done an incredible job. I think some people forgot all the hardship the Overwatch team had to go through the last two years. Like they had sexist and misogynistic people that would go in and say to scrap something they had been working on for 6 months. I’m very hyped and proud of them for coming this far and now that they have revenue, they push out content with our worry of “where is the money coming from?” I think Overwatch 2 is going to be great. Just need to be patient for the rest of it.

  • 90% of players will see OW2 as the same game with tweaks and a few extra heroes. This content is not even close to enough to call this a sequel. The built up content they have to make this game last for years is being artificially leaked out slowly, way past it’s due date, so they can milk what should already be in the game. If they want to add a battle pass and modern monetization schemes, fine, but do so on top of an actual sequel. And don’t place competitive advantages in the battle pass. Maybe the game will play great again, or better than ever, but having to fix something means it was broken in the first place. If all this update does it rectify where the game went wrong, without really adding much new content, I don’t see the interest levels being that high for very long.

  • You are literaly paid to say good things

  • I 100% believe in the previous vision, so I’m a little bummed with this roll out. But I’m also SO incredibly excited and optimistic for the future!

  • NEVER RISE THE PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS, BETTER SURPRISE THEM AND NOT LET THEM BE DISAPPOINTED.

  • Im glad we have what we’re getting now while they perfect the PVE

  • I think it's great that we get new content, but equally bad that an ow1 update is being presented as a sequel

  • I think what I took from Seagull's video is... they still aren't delivering the game they said they wanted to make... and in the days when a blizzard game was something people looked forward to they were content not releasing the game until it was what they wanted to make. So what does that mean for them deciding to pull the trigger on OW2 without having everything they wanted it to have? Does that mean they have shifted to make the more live service style game you are wanting? or are they just making a small concession to release the pvp updates they know folks want... and then going back to making the game they wanted to make? Are they going to try and do both? do they have the resources to do both without either suffering? I think all the flip flopping on design direction and release plans is enough to make anyone concerned, no matter which side of the pvp/pve divide you find yourself on.

  • I ignored the mainstream video game reviews and news because they all wanted to say the same thing but then Seagull but that out and it had my full attention I agree with some of it but I still think there is a solid game in there and if Blizzard continues to support this it could turn out to be a phenomenal game. I just wish they supported Overwatch 2 as much as they still support WoW which imo is a dying game.

  • Just don't feel like any of this is enough to renew general interest in OW. Could be wrong but I see any novelty (5v5, maps etc) not lasting very long. Hard to believe PvE will change that either but time will tell.

  • I don’t really care about the pve aspect, but man what a PR disaster. I feel like half the dev team doesn’t even know what OW2 is supposed to be.

  • How can anyone be disappointed? It's been a day since it dropped? Give it time people! 🤦‍♂️

  • Oh look its Your Overwatch not being biased. We know this "sequel" is just a means to push a battlepass.