The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

Dipublikasikan tanggal 15 Apr 2019
This isn’t just a computer bug. It’s a scandal.
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Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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    • +Sweetteawillie Thank You for clearing the doubt!

    • Nikhil Kulkarni The engines are mounted higher and slightly forward for ground clearance, otherwise they would have to increase the landing gear height and retracted positions. The engines have a larger diameter than the NG and previous models. It's less tedious to position the engines than it is to relocate landing gear bays and components and systems in those areas.

    • Why didn't they increase the clearance from the ground with few design changes?

    • Vox, maybe you should stay in your lane and leave the explaining to the NTSB. They are REAL investigators, not pretend journalists.

    • HOW ABOUT TONING DOWN THE LOUD MUSIC?

  • How VW paid for the software was ok. What now will Boeing also pay? Jokes

  • Don't think a plane could crash twice

  • This makes the situation all the more tragic, poor souls. That being said, very informative video thank you.

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  • they will accuse Bin Laden

  • What about the lives and dreams shattered. How are they going to explain that😡

  • Im just wondering , was there possibility to shut down MCAS like switch or something and also were the pilots aware that there is MCAS installed.

  • STOP. DEREGULATING.BUSINESSES.

  • OMFG! 2 hours iPad training? LOL! Even we (tramdrivers in Prague) have longer and deeper training when something comes (is implemented) to our trams. I'm shocked!

  • Heaps of information missing from this video that was available at the time of upload. The software packages that were distributed on the two planes that crashed were NOT the same as those installed on other airlines. The bottom-line is not as this video lays out. Shameful "reporting".

  • Americans....

  • People love to miss these couple of details. 1 there is a disconnect for that software in the cockpit Incase of instances like this. 2. While yes this is a issue with Boeing it’s also a human error issue as well. They the planes that went down were in 3rd world countries flying for budget airlines and had little experience with this plane... ya get what ya get at that point. 3. People seem to think this plane just came out like a month ago. It hasent. It has flown, landed, took off, god knows how many hours/times. I’m not trying to say Boeing isn’t at fault on this but y’all seem to think they have 100% responsibility for this when that just isn’t the case. 90% of you arnt in the aviation field and really don’t know what your talking about, your just spewing what you think or hear other people say.

  • If it's not boeing i'm not going

  • In other words, it's just one more example of today's techs getting dumber and dumber

  • Strategically first product in the market will capture the majority of the sales shares. Boeing rushed to come up with a branded product at the cost of quality. Time was crucial especially for front office and execs. No time to have a perfect product as such we have time to time such disasters. FAA seems to be loosen its certification requirements as well and such did not help much

  • Yep agreed it make sense

  • The 737 was in production since decades therefore they got enough benefits to launch a completely new Aeroplane...

  • Why boeing didnt just increase the heigh of the landing gears?

  • I used to prefer Boeing, but after this.. I'll go with Airbus. Like come on, safety should ALWAYS be priority.

  • The engine move is a bit of a red herring. Most passenger planes have anti stall systems (including the A320) the problem is that MCAS in particular is not fit for purpose.

  • Booo.. Boing is not relevent anymore

  • Capitalists have to make money. People die, but they're still happy. That's our world.

  • It used to be that government regulations and safety of planes was enforced by the government. Not anymore. Nowadays it is the airplane makers certifying their own planes. It is like asking a wolf to guard your sheep.

  • It is crazy that these planes are crashing, basic pilot training must be changed to include 'turning it off and on again' when computers are involved in being able to over ride the pilots.

  • Decent, but you missed that the flights had faulty angle of attack sensors, and that Boeing will be using sensor data from both sensors instead of only one and will disable MCAS if sensors disagree more than 5 degrees. Juan Brown, a commercial airline pilot explains the changes in detail here. id-tv.org/tv/video-zGM0V7zEKEQ.html

  • looks like theve got blood on their hands

  • The families who lost their loved ones in this incident could rightfully sue Boeing for their negligence that resulted in loss of life.

    • Heck, even the FAA in particular for saying that these things were safe to fly in.

  • Didnt the second plane crash actually turned off the MCAS but somehow it was still active?

  • Never fix something that is not broken

  • this video is factually incorrect about the ethiopian flight

  • It's amazing how many people have an opinion on something they know little to nothing about! The invesigation reports are not even completed yet and the people who made this video talk as if what they say is fact rather than the wild unfounded speculation that it is.

  • Money, its all about it.

  • And when is BOENG going to be sued for the unnecessary death of 600 passengers from two planes? 6 millions who have viewed this video.. ALLL of you should make it a point to refuse to board this plane or even BOYCOTT Boeng Planes until they have paid for the loss of 600 lives.... stupid program, stupid plane design.... stupid lack of training of pilots, all they had to do was be told how to turn of the auto system and to fly manual if such incident occured... also the pilots should be able to monitor speeds with different system and see other stall warnings.

  • why Boeing use a software to weighing down a plane when the pilot could actually do it? a software dont do random error, something must've triggered it. what is it?

  • We want more money Doesn't matter how many guinea pigs dies

  • This video is bull the only reason it really failed was because of the aoa sensor had failed which sent a false warning to the MCAS which is why they have updated the software so that it can bypass it and also blame the airlines for not requesting the proper training on the new system

  • Boeing can just make their fighter jets.

  • Don't be so irresponsible and leave out so many details.

  • Air France 447 an Airbus 330, crashed due to incompetent pilots not able to control the aircraft when the autopilot failed. The French aviation authority also seemed to fail to disclose crucial information about the last moments of the crash. People can’t handle the truth, more crashes are caused by human pilot error, poor maintenance and airline management, than anything ekse😌

  • So many problems? 2 planes from 3rd world airlines that didnt understand how to use the system, plus they got cheap and didnt buy the optional warning system. Want proof? The day before Lion Air crashed, the planes crew experienced an issue with the MCAS system from a defective air speed sensor. However there was a deadheading pilot from another airline with the flight crew on that flight. When the plane experienced issues, the flight crew didnt know how to control it. Thats when the deadheading pilot stepped in and simply turned off the MCAS system and saved the plane. Unfortunately a new crew took the plane the next day and crashed it. They were not told or trained by their airline how to correct the issue. Lastly, US carriers like Southwest have not had issues and they have more Max 8s in use than any other carrier.

  • This is not an “ethical problem” that Boeing had. People should not make them the bad guy. They’ve successfully built the worlds most reliable aircraft for many decades. This was a fault in computer engineering and programming, which they are rushing to fix.

  • Those greedy bastards think human lives as toys. Whish they go to hell.

  • If you want to understand this issue read the article at the end of this post. The video glosses over some important facts. Same bottom line but more info. spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/aviation/how-the-boeing-737-max-disaster-looks-to-a-software-developer

  • deep AF

  • This is not the entire story. Boing also had to change the design of the tail of the 737-max 8. When they did this, they did not change the measurements that where feed into the sensors and computers. Because of this, they data being fed in as far as pitch of the plane was wrong. The incorrect math made it seem like the pitch of the plane was much steeper then it actually was, this is why the plane continually went up and down.

  • I don't mean to be mean to anyone here but it is always recommended that you read the guide to plane after each time it gets updated which means me manual which state how to override the system if any malfunction occurred if plane itself and you could tell with malfunctioning you should probably override the autopilot which was the main cause of this now yes system was like this yes it was aggressive but you could clearly state that it was pilot error and not the plane the yes a plane was fighting them but pilots had more than enough time they had 12 minutes override that system it is clearly stated every time boeing releases a new plane that you read the manual and this won't happen this wouldn't have happened if those pilots were smarter men or women if you were to fly a new plane or something that had been revamped and they said it was basically the same would you consider to be completely the same now and you probably brush it off and say yeah it's the engine but would you do that with a brand new car let's say it's a lemon you don't know that of course though because the dealership trying to sell it to you that way store as they're concerned as soon as you get off the lot it's not their problem so would you look into the engine to see if it was a good enough car to drive to see if there were any problems relating to this or would you say no it's good enough I shouldn't read the manual I shouldn't check out the concerns on a driver's course do they not State the rules on how to drive so when you're flying don't think he should override the system if there is a plain error so then it's under pilots command

    • Did you miss the part of the video where it explains that the new system wasn't highlighted in their iPad training?

    • Don't get me wrong I feel bad for these people but this is just the plain truth

  • happens! nothing is perfect,real life.

  • if it was a boeing plane, i wouldnt fly with that coffin plane ..

  • This what happen when the money came in first for the companies and the people life came second or last !!?? Ugly facts 💔😔

  • Why didn't Boeing just install new landing gears?

  • My question is why they lift the engine? They could just make the landing gear long enough to set the engine. Note: I am not an expert.

    • It would disturb the hydraulics and weight distribution

  • So they were to damn cheap to redesign the plane to accommodate the new engine. Negligence and irresponsible

  • wtf were they thinking? "Let's just add software that pulls the nose down, and not tell the pilots about it" Imagine flying a plane, and suddenly the nose starts pushing down by itself, and no one has any idea why. That is really scary.

  • Capitalism kills.

  • Shame on Boeing and the FAA!!! Where are all the Boeing fanboys now?

  • Why this mechanism within the aircraft was kept a secret from the pilots is beyond any stretch of the imagination.

  • Dam it takes smooth and educated pilots at the controls these aircraft shouldn't be sold to anyone let alone a third world country in the sake of not being politically correct look at the carriers that had the misfortune of losing their multi million dollar investment let alone the lose of life main stream media won't put it out there for fear of being labeled racist but the personal behind the controls has much to do with the program when it comes to liability your product has to be idiot proof or your labeled as putting out an inferior product which makes no sense if I crash my car is general motors liable for my inability to disengage the cruise control or being competent to oprater their product the majority of aircraft incidents is human related the mix of automation and manual control leaves a situation where you must be cognitive of and living in the real world not everyone is appropriate for the task without extensive training hell every day I come across people on the roadways that have no business behind the wheel of a car it's called skills ether you got them or you don't

  • They even said the manuels for the boeing 737 max was inaccurate

  • Wait... MCAS - maneuvering characteristics augmentation system. Also MCAS - Massachusetts comprehensive assessment system. So, it’s a plane system, and a test.

  • Its almost like the Douglas

  • And all the CEOs that get fired will have golden parachutes and glide to safety with millions in severance pay. Death to lives all for a quick buck, corporate greed and scum is at an all time high. The world needs to rid itself of these capitalist corporations because they only care about one thing, the dollar at any and all cost! This is costing lives and the health of our planet with extraordinary pollution as well.

  • The real reason: what goes up, must come down

  • it will take many year to gain confidence in airline industry.

  • Boeing's moto is money before lives. That's how they will compete with Airdeath. The FAA needs blood in the U.S. before it reacts.

  • How about f you boeing company...

  • all in the name of profits

  • Very informative video very sad ....Boeing needs to be punished

  • No more boeing for me

  • Thank you for a very clear explanation of the problem, now we need to know more about the Boeing insiders who are responsible for this blunder.

  • Can someone explain why it is too late to turn off MCAS in the second incident?

  • This is OUTRAGEOUS!! Boing should face criminal charges, the people responsible should go to jail and Boing should pay enormous fines!

  • VOX SHOULD STICK TO "HOW TO BUILD A GAMING PC" VIDEOS....O WAIT

  • The sad reality is in the real world business is business profits is the top goal even if that means cutting corners and taking risks

  • THIS IS SO FACTUALLY INACCURATE IT HURTS AND I'M NOT A BOEING FAN

  • Profit first... but dont worry they will get away with it....maybe with a light slap on the wrists

  • Aeronautical engineers that don't understand physics. And no, affirmative action is Not the reason why e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e in America SUCKS at their job, so don't say that.

  • Thanks Vox, I’m only watching this on a Boeing 737

  • This is misleading. The pilots followed the recommended 'runaway stabiliser' checklist, however they contravened it when they re-engaged the stab trim cutout switches, and control was lost shortly after. Also the thrust was never reduced from takeoff power, resulting in an extremely high speed which exacerbated the control issues. To say the crash was completely the fault of the aircraft manufacturer is misleading.

  • Why is it we as humans always have to exaggerate and blow things out of proportions. Millions of people die everyday for bs reasons and no one bats an eye. a plane goes down as horrible as it is and we find out that it’s a design issue that’s now being fixed and everyone loses there minds. Flying is still the safest form of travel and that is in part because of the hard work that Boeing employees do to build a great plane. So to say it’s negligence is ridiculous. The media doesn’t have a clue they’re not aerospace engineers and the whistleblowers they talk to most of those people are just pissed off becuase they got fired for some unrelated reason so they try and make the company look bad to better themselves.sory but It was a mistake that happens it’s rare but it does happen. It’s being fixed and the plane will be a safe plane soon enough

  • Sure let Vox tell us what is wrong with things they no nothing about.

  • Boeing owns the FAA! This equals corruption and death! 💲🛬⚰️

  • Is made in China!

  • Money kills

  • Boing murders!

  • They should be banned and some people should go to prison. This is so ridiculous I hope the ones who signed the dotted lines with their cheeks red hot turned to the side; burn.

  • I think it was a far larger issue than engine placement. Most older prop jets and piston prop aircraft have engines mounted within the wings and some older jets have rear mounted engines far above the wings. Nice theory though but doesn't sound reasonable or well researched.

  • This is why airbus is better

  • None of the fatcats at Boing or the FFA will pay the piper. This is result of a far too cozy relationship between regulators and private enterprise. It has to stop!

  • BOEING equals MASS MURDER

  • Huge W for Airbus

  • So boeing chose quantity over quality.

  • Too sad :(

  • So money is the real reason

  • When your car stop working, so you update to the newest version.

  • A hardware problem shouldn't be fixed with software.

  • So why were the only crashes in foreign countries? Non English speaking countries? Do you know how many flights were made in one day in the US by Max 8 jets before the grounding? 4 thousand per day just by one carrier. And that wasn't the largest one. This is bullshit. I say there is a translation problem. Oh and the Ethiopians turned back on the automated system before the crash. Fake news!!!

  • Well that doesn't make any sense. If you raise the centreline of the engines, the nose will tend to be pushed down, not up...

  • Only ever fly on quality airlines.

  • Great explanation. You really did your homework. Thank you very much.